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Author Topic:   A layman's questions about universes
coffee_addict
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Message 17 of 128 (117034)
06-21-2004 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
06-20-2004 11:37 PM


Re: backing down
buzsaw writes:
No human, of course was an eye witness to tell us all the unknowns. Smobbish secular humanist academia thinks they know it all, but if the truth were known, there'd likely be some real surprises. None of us were around millions to billions of years ago and really don't know all the factors involved with how things were in the universe and particularly in our galexy and solar system, especially if one factors in a creator. A lot of conjecture is not being admitted, imo.
The milky way galaxy is about 75,000 light years across. Other galaxies range from thousands of light years to hundreds of millions of light years to billions of light years away from the milky way galaxy. In other words, when we look at these objects that are very very far away, we are actually looking at these stuff millions to billions of years in the past.
I just put that in the simplest terms possible. If you didn't understand that, then I give up.
I don't mean to run off topic, but Eta came in on this thread with insults rather than substantive responses to my posts and imo, the meanspirited insults needed a response.
Just imagine this for a minute. I know that you are in your 50's, probably 57. You are talking to a 7 yr old child. He has this belief that the power rangers actually exist in real life. Being a HS graduate, you know that the power rangers are make-belief (fictional) characters created to entertain kids. You've tried everything for months to show the 7 year old that the power rangers don't exist in real life. The kid finished 2nd grade but he just wouldn't admit that you, with your HS degree, actually know more than he does.
After several months and the kid still goes around telling everybody that the power rangers exist in real life. He even tells you that you and your HS diploma can't know more than his 2nd grade stuff. Afterall, everything taught up to the 2nd grade is all there is to know, right?
Eta is having the same frustration.

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coffee_addict
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Message 23 of 128 (117156)
06-21-2004 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Buzsaw
06-21-2004 2:04 PM


buzsaw writes:
You're contradicting yourself.
No, he is not. Ever heard of a thing called an asymptote?

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coffee_addict
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Message 25 of 128 (117159)
06-21-2004 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
06-21-2004 2:11 PM


Re: backing down
buzsaw writes:
In the simplest terms possible, you should be made to understand that if those distant things were created relatively suddenly in their own time in the distant past eons ago their light would have long since permeated the areas of later created objects such as the earth before the earth was created. Btw, what exactly is your point so far as my posts before Eta go? If you think they're fairy tales and you're so apprised on this stuff why don't you do the right thing and show them to be wild tales?
See what I mean? Instead of admitting to the evidence that we have been observing for 2 centuries, you came up with some kind of pseudoscience that can neither be found in the scientific world or the bible. Just tell me where you got the idea that everything was created eons ago and the Earth only 6,000 years ago?
Perfect example of a source of frustration.
If Eta thinks he can counter the sense and logic of my post, let him leave off the insults and either go talk to someone else or show a little respect and refute my posts here. That's the way, as I understand the rules, this town is suppose to function.
The problem is you don't seem to be able to understand something as simple as the difference between genuine scientific theories and pseudoscience. In order for someone like Eta to explain something as complex as the topic at hand, he has to introduce concepts that even I have problem understanding. Everytime a concept is simplified just so normal people like you and me can understand, many of the meanings of the concept is lost. Heck, even Rrhain's explanation can be seen as an oversimplification of some really beasty mathematical concepts.
I don't blame Eta for being frustrated, especially when you somehow could come up with your own nonscientific explanation to explain the age of the Earth and try to use that against the mountains of evidence of an old Earth.
This message has been edited by Lam, 06-21-2004 01:37 PM

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coffee_addict
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Message 29 of 128 (117212)
06-21-2004 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
06-21-2004 2:56 PM


Re: backing down
buzsaw writes:
Where did I say the earth was 6000 years old? Reread please. My point is that some things in the universe are much older than others, the earth likely being later since things on it and it's sun was created later according to the Biblical record. My position on the earth is that nobody knows how old it is, just the animals and mankind.
Now, I'm frustrated. Refer to this thread.

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coffee_addict
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Message 33 of 128 (117349)
06-21-2004 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
06-21-2004 10:48 PM


Re: backing down
I was refering to this part of your post:
buzsaw writes:
the earth likely being later since things on it and it's sun was created later according to the Biblical record. My position on the earth is that nobody knows how old it is, just the animals and mankind.
In other words, there are methods for us to find out how old the Earth is, and it is much older than biblical accounts.

The Laminator

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coffee_addict
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Message 41 of 128 (117388)
06-22-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
06-21-2004 11:15 PM


Re: backing down
buzsaw writes:
Btw, Lam, by "this thread," I was referring to the thread I'm responding to which you cited which was not the current thread. Where in that thread or any thread have I ever said the earth was 6000 years old? I'll answer for you. None. Correct me if you can find one. My position on that is that only animals and man of earth are factored to be about that old according to the wording of Genesis one.
I can live with that for now, since we are talking about cosmology and not evolution.
Sorry about that. I probably mentally edited your words to sound like what I thought you sounded like. I'll be more careful next time.

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