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Will scientists ever find the connection between the physical and metaphysical?

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anglagard
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07-09-2006 6:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
07-08-2006 6:56 PM

Monads?
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Gerald Shroeder in his book "The Hidden Face of God" connects science with the metaphysical by claiming amongst other things, as I understand him, that what is actually basic to the universe is particles of information. His thinking is obviously esoteric, but will it ever go beyond that?
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From this description, I would sue for plagiarism if I was this guy:
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Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz - Wikipedia
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07-09-2006 6:18 PM 		Reply to: Message 17 by randman
07-09-2006 4:21 PM

Re: God as a material being.
Anything that is part of the sensory universe is amenable to study by science.
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By that definition, God, angels, demons, spirits, ESP and a whole range of things are definitely within the range of science, and in fact, anything experienced by someone is potentially a topic of scientific study.
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Show us any of that is in the range of the sensory universe and you will get $1,000,000 from the Amazing Randi and a guaranteed appearance on Penn & Teller Bullshit!
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anglagard
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07-09-2006 7:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 22 by randman
07-09-2006 6:57 PM

Re: God as a material being.
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Is gravity within the range of the sensory universe?
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The observed effects of gravity are within the range of the sensory universe. Didn't this semantic argument take up the better part of a thread a few months back?
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In the same way, we can see the effects and people have experienced the reality and interaction with spiritual beings. That's evidence.
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That's anecdotal evidence, not experential evidence. The reason anecdotal evidence is not used in science is because "its just taking someone's word for it." Using anecdotal evidence essentially means what anyone says is true. What if they contradict each other? what if they are in a mental institution? or a rest home? Most children are taught not to believe everything anyone tells them.
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You don't like it because it is subjective, but all evidence begins as subjective until someone figures out a way to test for it, quantify it, etc...and make it objective.
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Provide your repeatable evidence under controlled conditions and you get $1,000,000.
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Just because we haven't figured out how to do that yet doesn't make spiritual things any less real. They are within the realm of human experience and so be definition sensory.
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That statement is an opinion and without experential evidence to support it means it is not a part of science.
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anglagard
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07-09-2006 7:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by randman
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Re: Monads?
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The idea the universe consists of particles of information and that this information exists even when the physical form of the particle observes not to exist is a concept well established by hard experiments in quantum physics. It's not wild speculation, but based on hard science, and quite likely is correct.
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Probably should have used a smiley when posting as it was a bit tounge-in-cheek. However, the assertion, independent of the results of quantum physics experiments, does share similarities with Monadism.
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