Posting links with no accompanying discussion isn't an effective way to begin discussion. Dan asks, "Ever see these links before?" Does that mean, "Ever see them before, aren't they enlightening?" or "Ever seen them before, aren't they ridiculous." That's why the guidelines request that bare links not be posted, that they be accompanied by explanation or discussion of the point to be taken from them.
I'll leave this thread open in case anyone wants to address the issues presented in the links from an educational perspective.
I have, elsewhere, and quite frivolously suggested that find a human in the jaws of a dinosaur would put a dent in evolutionary theory.
Logically, and seriously that isn't true ... unless this was found consistently throughout the fossil record, and involved many species not thought to co-exist.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that some dinosaur populations existed long after we think they were extinct (examples of living fossils have been known). Nor is it beyond the realms of possibility that large land-reptiles existed during the time of early man for which there are no, as yet, found remains. New species of dinosuar are uncovered as we search out fossils, just as new living creatures are discovered as we explore the previously inaccessible locales on earth.
Dragons are a global feature of mythology ... perhaps there is substance to the old stories ... and man made them extinct because they were a theat to his survival.
Perhaps, perhaps ....
What type of dinosaur made the footprints in question ?
How do we know that it wasn't one of the gigantic predatory bird thingy's that used to roam the americas (or a survived colony of such) etc. etc. etc.
The forests of america are still, largely unexplored aren't they ?
The DATA (at face value) suggests that a human and a dinosuar-footed creature existed around the same time period.
Possible explanation:: Humans and a form of dinosaur co-existed.
Conclusion:: 1) Some dino-like species did not become extinct until after man existed.
Possible explanation:: The tracks were made at different times.
not a geologist so cannot go further with that one.
Nothing about the tracks impacts evolution/creation debate, only the dates when different critters existed.
Peter, Nice to see someone recognize the "co"existence issue. I have always been preplexed by this use of the term by Wallance and the general older idea of the offspring returning to the parent form. The thought is so general that this is the means by which New Zealand Panbiogeographers survied Criticism by both musuems (BM and AMNH) on both sides of this pond. Page some how got hired out of NZ land by sticking to this as the subject to enter evolution talk with.
Isn't it true that dinosaurs are painted on cave walls? What about DRAGONS? Where did they come from? Heard about the dinosaur fossils buried in the same strata as human remains? Dinosaurs are accurately described in the Bible. Heard of the un-fossilized dinosaur? Must be younger than "millions of years" !
All of these things say that man must have been there at the same time.
In EIGHT(!!!) years you have learnt nothing, and still believe that men walked hand-in-hand with dinosaurs? That's a lot of crap to be holding in your head for that amount of time. I'd see a doctor about that, there could be lasting damage...
I'd see a doctor about that, there could be lasting damage...
I'm pretty sure you meant there apparently has been lasting damage.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
Indonesia. As indicated clearly on most early nautical maps. They and dinosaurs are both diapsids, but there's really not that much resemblance. Dinosaurs are birds, dragons are dragons.
Monitor lizards are related to Lepidsauria which emerged from Diapsida, about 250 million years ago at the end of the Paleozoic era. About 100 million years ago, during the Cretaceous era, a species related to contemporary varanids appear in the fossil records of central Asia. Marine lizards from this species went extinct, along with dinosaurs, about 65 million years ago. During the Eocene, 50 million years ago, land monitors spread throughout Europe and South Asia.
Large prey usually will be struck at the ankles causing them to fall to the ground where they will be finished off by the monitor's powerful jaws. Their deadly saliva causes serious infections with no known cure. Even if the prey manages to escape the initial strike, they inevitably will die from an infection or bleed to death . These large monitors are rather fast for their size, 11 m.p.h., but only for short distances. Adult dragons have voracious appetites and can eat up to 80% of their empty body weight (Diamond 1992). They will eat everything from the bones to the hooves. Yet a 100 pound adult can survive on only 30 pounds of meat a month when it becomes necessary (Diamond, 1992).
Also popular for virgin sacrifices.
Regardless of our inability to determine the proper gender, Komodo dragons know who is who and what is what. They tend to mate between May and August. Before mating occurs the dominant males battle to determine who will be their mate. They do not fight to the death, but blood is usually drawn. Their tails play an integral part during battle as they get in upright positions and wrestle (Ciofi, 1999). The winner of the wrestling match gets to choose his mate.
Courtship begins with the male flicking his tongue on the female's nose and then over her body. The male must expose a pair of hemipenes from his cloaca before mating can be accomplished. Once this has happened he then climbs on the back of his mate and inserts one of the two hemipenes into the female's cloaca (Ciofi, 1999).
arnt these all a type of 'dinosaur'.... literally meaning lizards?
No, the word dinosaur, "thunder lizard", turns out to be a misnomer. Lizards are reptiles, dragons, crocodiles and alligators are reptiles, snakes are also reptiles. Dinosaurs are not in fact reptiles. If you wanted to group them into one of our modern classifications, birds are in the direction you want to look. Different body structure, different apparent metabolism. The dodo would be a nice modern dinosaur, if they weren't extinct themselves. Those awesome birds like ostriches and emus in Catholic Scientist's Theropods and Birds showing a change in kinds are the best match for "modern dinosaurs" if you like.
What Coyote is really asking here is, if man and ancient real undeniable dinosaurs co-existed, how come we can't find bones of them that are intact and non-fossilized the way we can things like neanderthals and mammoths. I think?
Regardless, my point is that we don't need dinosaurs to explain legends about dragons, we have actual dragons roaming the source locations within history and not yet quite extinct, still happily stealing sheep and biting celebrities and so forth.