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Author Topic:   Dual Porosity, A Problem For Dating? (for Whatever, etc...)
Loudmouth
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Message 1 of 42 (80381)
01-23-2004 5:59 PM


I have created this topic so that Whatever can support his claims that isotopes in the water table can cause problems with dating igneous rocks. I would suggest that, outside of bumping when appropriate, that Whatever make the second post.

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Loudmouth
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Message 17 of 42 (80876)
01-26-2004 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by johnfolton
01-26-2004 1:36 PM


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JonF, You've said that argon diffuses into the rocks when they are heated, that this is likely what happened with Snellings diamond, when lava is formed under the sediments so they cool slowly, the argon gas (possibly 650 times the concentration of the atomosphere)is prevented from escaping to the atmosphere, so it would of affected the argon diffusion, etc...
If this were fact for every igneous rock, then why do the other isochrons indicate the same age but are independent of argon concentration? You seem to be missing the fact that non-argon methods also reflect the same dates so you would have to show how argon and other elements move into rocks at the same ratio of concentrations at ALL times. Please explain how argon leaking/uptake can also affect Rb/Sr or U/Pb ratios in such a way to give the same false date.
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the presense of argon in off gases of oil wells, coal mines shows argon is not bound in the sediments, so where did this free argon come from, if not from the inner earth, then it diffused out of the sediments by the capillary press, supporting the sediments would of dated old even before they erupted out from within the earth, etc...
Why couldn't it bubble out of molten magma below the sediment layers? Since magma contains materials through which argon would be produced it would seem likely that this argon would work its way up to the surface. Secondly, argon is not soluble in water. Let me repeat again, argon is not soluble in water. It will not react with cations, anions, or zwitterions. Argon will not be pushed into crystals due to capillary press. If argon could go in and out of lattices then meteorites would lack all argon because of the substantial negative pressure they experience. The negative pressure experienced by meteorites is many magnitudes greater than the forces of capillary press. Therefore, by your theory, there should be no argon in meteorites. The only problem is that meteorites date to more than 4 billion years. Argon does not move around like you think it does, especially not because of water.
Also, what evidence do you have that sediments from the "springs of the deep" were old? This is an unsupported assertion that must be accepted before your theory holds water. You need to support this assertion. Also, you have to show that there was a global flood, which has been falsified by many observations and supported by none.
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The capillary press explains how such argon could be pressed into and out of the crystal lattices of rocks, it would act like a carrier gas, with the ionic -OH and +H ions compounds drawn from the capillary electrolyte solutions translocating mineral cations and anions into or out of the crystals depending on the ionic levels in the electrolyte solution, the earth has an electric charge it would be responsible for the energy to carry the ions to and from the crystals, because the crystal would have both cation's and anion's and we all know opposites charges attract, etc...
Again, argon is not affected by water or charge, it is inert. In fact, helium, another inert gas, can be used to degas solutions, that is get rid of solubilized gases such as excess oxygen or nitrogen. Tell me how argon will follow water when it is not soluble in water or affected by water.

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Loudmouth
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Message 19 of 42 (80888)
01-26-2004 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by johnfolton
01-26-2004 3:06 PM


Just to be a fair debator, I found that argon DOES in fact dissolve into water, at 73 ml/l (I am assuming 73 ml of argon at 1 atmosphere into 1 liter of water at 20 degrees Celsius). Sorry for the mistake, and I do feel embarassed.

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