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Author Topic:   New helium retention work suggests young earth and accelerated decay
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Message 3 of 122 (21246)
11-01-2002 7:16 AM
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11-01-2002 1:54 AM


wj writes:
Rubbish.
Can we assume a more substantive response is in the works?
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Message 114 of 122 (219268)
06-24-2005 8:58 AM
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06-23-2005 10:12 PM


Re: I am a little puzzled by the logic here.
Tranquility Base writes:
We do not argue that QM is wrong. We argue that the decay rates were under dynamic control as has recently been prposed for the fine-structure constant by mainstream researchers.
I'm quickly becoming very concerned about your approach, TB. Here, once again, we have a mispresentation of mainstream scientific views from you. Mainstream scientists have not proposed that the fine structure constant is under dynamic control. In addition, the finding that the fine structure constant has changed over time has been called into question because subsequent investigations have not supported it, and I believe the team that originally made the claim is now being very circumspect.
If mainstream science really accepted Baumgardner's models, and if mainstream science really believed that the laws of the universe were under some kind of control, then that would mean that the evolutionists here just haven't been keeping up with recent developments. It would mean that you've largely won the debate because some significant Creationist views have become accepted within mainstream science, and now your only chore is to bring the Neandertals at EvC Forum up to date.
But that's not an accurate description of the situation, is it. Mainstream science does not accept Baumgardner's models, nor dynamic control of physical laws. So please stop saying that it does.
I'm not taking sides in the discussion. I would say the same thing to someone who claimed that ICR accepted an ancient earth.

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Message 119 of 122 (224843)
07-20-2005 8:49 AM
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Re: I am a little puzzled by the logic here.
Missed your post while on vacation, just noticed it now.
randman writes:
It seems to me often disingenious on the part of evolutionists when they speak of "science" or mainstream science because they often would deride the thinking of men like Wheeler or Max Plank, as far as what they believed QM pointed to.
Hopefully, when evolutionists speak of science they are speaking of what scientists said when speaking scientifically. I don't think you'll find much of the metaphysical in the technical papers of Wheeler and Planck.

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