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Brian
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Message 154 of 219 (467023)
05-19-2008 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by IamJoseph
05-18-2008 9:54 PM


Re: Bullshitting?
It is not my opnion: I quoted a source [Josephus],
To be fair you only quoted an author, you did not quote THE source. I, in particular, would like a reference to support Josephus translating the OT into Greek, many thanks.
You may be interested to know that the FIRST translation of the OT into Greek was the Septuagint, which was eventually rejected by Jews because of the huge amount of errors in it.
and stated a date 300 BCE. Now you can counter it by showing us greek alphabeticals pre-300 BCE.
I am not sure what you really mean here, are you saying that there was no Greek writings before 300 bce?
Democrasy comes from the OT laws.
Sorry, but this is complete nonsense.
The OT laws very much support a theocracy.
Where in the OT does it say anything about the majority of the population deciding what is going to happen?
The OT very much promotes devotion to God and following His rules a regulations.
I don't know which websites you are reading, but you need to be a bit more critical of your sources.

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Brian
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Message 155 of 219 (467043)
05-19-2008 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by IamJoseph
05-18-2008 10:26 PM


Re: Bullshitting?
It also means, one can destroy non-food bearing trees, like bamboo,
You really do talk some shit!
You never been to a Chinese restaurant?
What do you think pandas prefer to eat?
The world does not follow any laws not contained in the OT - not a oner.
The Bible endorses polygamy does it? What about suicide, does the Bible endorse that?
Amazing, but true.
It's amazing how much garbage you believe is true.
Edited by Brian, : spelling

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Brian
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Message 160 of 219 (467084)
05-19-2008 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by IamJoseph
05-19-2008 9:02 AM


Re: Bullshitting?
quote: You may be interested to know that the FIRST translation of the OT into Greek was the Septuagint,
Yes, and that date was 300 BCE.
Well given that the oldest Hebrew OT texts we have are the Dead Sea Scrolls, which the oldest are 2nd c. bce, that makes the Greek older in my book.
No 'alphabtical' writings. Picture writings can be seen much before greece existed, like in the pyramids. The OT marks the first alphabetical books.
But what about Homer, Herodotus, Hecateus, Thucydides? These are way older than 300 bce.
I'll address the rest of your points when I have time.

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Brian
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Message 175 of 219 (467204)
05-20-2008 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by IamJoseph
05-19-2008 8:49 PM


Re: Bullshitting?
Lol! And your hurling names at me!
With good reason though. You are serious, and my tongue is very much in my cheek.
The scrolls represent 100s of copies of much more ancient docs -
Evidence for this is what?
[qs] where the heck do u think the greeks got their script to translate from -[/qs[]
Who says that they had to translate from scripts? Oral traditions did the rounds for centuries, and then became written down, so which scripts were used for the Septuagint?
there is no monotheism outside or predating the OT?
Nonsense. What about Akhenaten, the pharaoh whose city at Tell el Amarna yielded thousands of ancient texts, which predate any biblical writings by at least a thousand years?
Have you not learnt of Alexander, and his deliberations with the temple preists to allow this translation?
Translation from what?
Have you heard of the psalms, confirmed as 3000 years with the Dan Tel discovery -
Sorry, but the Tel Dan Stele does not confirm anything biblical.
these mention Moses numerously,
The Tel Dan Stele NEVER mentions Moses. God knows where you get this from?
and allign with all the OT narratives,
Afraid not mate, it takes a lot of manipulation to get the Tel Dan Stele to say what Biran wants it to say.
and there was no greeks 3000 years ago.
And no Israelites either for that matter.
But, on a serious note, Phoenician alphabet predates Hebrew by a long way (Ras Shamra texts), and there MAY be an even older alphabet from India.

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Brian
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Message 176 of 219 (467205)
05-20-2008 7:19 AM
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05-19-2008 8:49 PM


Re: Bullshitting?
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Edited by Brian, : double post

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Brian
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Message 177 of 219 (467207)
05-20-2008 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by IamJoseph
05-20-2008 1:32 AM


Tel Dan fantasy
Now here's hard copy proof of the Tel House of David discovery, also 9th C, but with historically vindicated names of people who did live in this time.
These names are still under debate though/ Much of the text is missing and Biran basically inserted anything he wanted to try and make the missing text say what he wanted it too.
This is a find which is dated 100 years after David, and is a monument which honors him.
Actually it doesn’t.
David lived a mere 240 years after Moses,
This is contrary to what the Bible tells us though.
Moses was part of the Exodus group, and the Exodus apparently took place 480 years before the 4th year of Solomon’s reign.
1 Kings 6:1
[i] In the four hundred and eightieth year after the Israelites had come out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the LORD. [/qs]
Before Solomon came to the throne, David had reigned for forty years and six months
2 Samuel 5:5
In Hebron he reigned over Judah seven years and six months, and in Jerusalem he reigned over all Israel and Judah thirty-three years
David died aged 70.
2 Sam 5:4
David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years.
So, if you even wish to say that David was born 240 years after Moses died, there is a huge chronological discrepancy.
The fourth year of Solomon’s reign would thus be 74 years after David was born, so that would leave 406 years between the Exodus and the birth of David. Moses was part of the Exodus group that was alleged to have left Egypt 406 years before David was born, and Moses died forty years after the Exodus, just before the Israelites ”entered’ into Canaan. Thus we have a 366 year gap between the death of Moses and the birth of David.
and his writings mention Moses and the OT narratives throughout the psalms, and also in the book of Kings:
There is not a single shred of evidence that there ever was a king David, and no evidence of a United Monarchy either.

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