Straggler writes:
But surely individuals of both sexes desire to make themselves sexually stimulating to the opposite sex........?
Yes and no. You have to look at the way it's being done.
For women, being sexually stimulating is being both mentally and physically weak. For men, it's being dominant and sometimes even egoistically, wife-beating "I'm da man so shut up bitch" type.
The ways that this occurs for men and women may vary slightly but the aim is the same.
I wouldn't call the differences between the sexes' ways of being sexually stimulating to the other sex "slightly".
Yes but nobody wants to be a slave!!
Nobody? I'm pretty sure if we look hard enough back in the days we could find people who wanted to be slaves. Hint: think outside the box. Think beyond the colonial periods.
Who doesn't want to be sexy? That is the difference.
You're twisting my words already. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to want to be sexy. But there is a difference between wanting to be sexy and allowing/inviting yourself to be objectified by men who would drool down your breasts.
The difference is in terms of what is considered 'sexy'. If a rich socially powerful man is considered 'sexy' would we say that seeking wealth and power is wrong for men?
Where exactly did I say trying to be sexy is wrong? I even specifically said several times that there's nothing wrong with what these women are doing. However, it's really really hard for our society to progress beyond the sexist attitude that we collectively have right now when we constantly see women trying to make themselves sexually stimulating to men at the expense of themselves.
Remember who you're talking to. I believe in people's freedom to do whatever the hell they want with their lives as long as they do not harm other people. I think I've discussed this before that even if tomorrow I come home to find my wife sleeping with another man I would rather kill myself than allow myself to take it out on my wife in my moment of jealousy. So, no, I am not saying it's wrong or that people shouldn't be allowed to do it. What I am saying is that men with power, especially christian conservative men, tend to want to see their women in social chains and that right now a lot of women seem to be playing right along with this social norm. {Added by edit: If you want an example, talk to Buzsaw about this.}
I just don't think telling any group of people that they should aim to stop being considered sexually attratctive is a realistic target.
For the last time, I'm not trying to tell people to stop being sexually attractive to the opposite sex. Let me try to repeat this.
There is a difference between being sexually attractive and going out of your way to meeting the needs of chauvinistic pigs that are out there. Again, it's fine if these women want to do this. But at the same time they want to demand these same christian conservative men who want to see their women in social chains to give them equal rights and attitudes. Now that's not a realistic goal among the feminists.
What I am advocating is that women begin to realize that they can steer these lust-filled conservative chauvinists toward something better rather than reinforcing their needs to see women in social chains. And the first step is stop tolerating the male dominant attitude. And I do admit that even this idea is considered too radical even among the most hardcore feminists I have talked to.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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