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Straggler
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Message 5 of 22 (465249)
05-04-2008 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
05-03-2008 4:41 PM


Sexy Backs
First, I think bare backs are one of the sexiest parts of a well formed female.
I agree.
This picture makes me think of a child wrapped in a towel after swimming.
Hmmmmmmm. It makes me think of sexy female backs.
I also think the picture was intended to make people think of sexy female backs.
Hence the use of silk bedsheets rather than a swimming towel.
Is that a terrible thing? Well she is pretty young so I can see why some people might question the intent.
I don't have a young teenage daughter but if I did I might have some concerns about her appearing in an international publication in this manner.
It appears I am the forum prude. Not a role I expected for myself. Must be getting old!

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Straggler
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Message 11 of 22 (465255)
05-04-2008 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taz
05-04-2008 1:51 PM


Isn't it true that individuals of both sexes are going to want to make themselves sexually attractive?
For women in particular this is going to be based on appearance?
Whether this is right or wrong morally is another question but if it is 'natural' it is going to be a very difficult phenomenon to eradicate.

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Straggler
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Message 13 of 22 (465259)
05-04-2008 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Taz
05-04-2008 2:08 PM


That's not what I said. I said some women go out of their way to make themselves sexually stimulating to men. This is a direct invitation to being objectified.
But surely individuals of both sexes desire to make themselves sexually stimulating to the opposite sex........?
The ways that this occurs for men and women may vary slightly but the aim is the same.
I agree. But think about it this way. Slavery is a completely natural phenomenon and it took us several millenia to rid of. But the important thing is we got rid of it.
Yes but nobody wants to be a slave!!
Who doesn't want to be sexy? That is the difference.
Women often complain that they are not treated fairly or equally to men. It's awefully hard to do if they continue to seem to only want to be sexually stimulating to men.
The difference is in terms of what is considered 'sexy'. If a rich socially powerful man is considered 'sexy' would we say that seeking wealth and power is wrong for men?
Am I a sexist or not? You decide.
I see no evidence that you are sexist.
I just don't think telling any group of people that they should aim to stop being considered sexually attratctive is a realistic target.

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Straggler
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From: London England
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Message 15 of 22 (465264)
05-04-2008 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Taz
05-04-2008 2:44 PM


I get what you are saying. I do.
But if ther are men (esp rich powerful sexually desirable men) that find female submissiveness and even the physical sexual objectification of women to be 'sexy' is it realistic to expect women to rise above this and not seek to to be sexually attractive to these men on these terms?
I think we both broadly agree that this is not what either of us ideally would wish to see.
My only real point is that as long as this behaviour is considered sexually desireable it will inevitably occur.
I also don't think much success is likely in changing the attitudes of men to consider this sort of behaviour unappealing.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't try....
It doesn't mean I don't think it a desireable outcome.
I just don't rate the chances of success.

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Straggler
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From: London England
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Message 17 of 22 (465271)
05-04-2008 4:43 PM
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05-04-2008 4:08 PM


Re: as wife or mistress?
It's the difference between life-mates and sex-toys.
In evolutionary terms surely it is a question of whether 'sex toys' successfully breed successful offspring as compared to the offspring of 'life partners'?

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