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Author Topic:   Reagan May Have Died, Cannot Recall At This Time
Dan Carroll
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Message 1 of 109 (113315)
06-07-2004 12:45 PM


Anybody have some commentary on the death of Ronald Reagan? Any glowing, almost messianic praise from the conservative camp? Accusations of Anti-Christery from the liberals? "Bedtime for Bonzo" jokes from guys like me?

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 6 of 109 (113344)
06-07-2004 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by berberry
06-07-2004 3:27 PM


Re: This is disgusting!
Actually, it's a reference to the Iran/Contra scandal, not alzheimers.
But yes, for what it's worth, I do enjoy taking cheap shots at people who can't defend themselves.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 7 of 109 (113345)
06-07-2004 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Abshalom
06-07-2004 3:32 PM


Re: This is disgusting!
You really expect Yankees to act according to a code of honor or to show courtesy or compassion?
Yankees? I live... what, maybe 300 miles north of you?
Geography aside, I'm so a Red Sox man.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 10 of 109 (113350)
06-07-2004 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by berberry
06-07-2004 3:52 PM


Re: This is disgusting!
You often provide a humorous touch to arguments against intolerance on this forum and I appreciate that. However, I consider insensitivity to be just as bad as intolerance, and I must say that I'm surprised at you. I thought you were better than that.
Well, thanks and sorry you feel that way, I guess.
I think most anyone seeing the title to this thread is going to think of Alzheimer's, not Iran-Contra.
Have you considered the possibility that perhaps alzheimers is simply a hot-button topic with you? I'm not saying it shouldn't be, mind you, but I think you're over-reacting.
"I cannot recall at this time" was practically Reagan's catch-phrase during Iran/Contra. It's one of the most-used Reagan parodies that exist. Given that the man once co-starred with a monkey, that's saying something.
Honestly, I'm sorry that you're offended, but not for anything I've done, if you dig.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 11 of 109 (113351)
06-07-2004 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Abshalom
06-07-2004 3:53 PM


Re: This is disgusting!
Yeah, "Yankees."
Well all right then, suh. Enjoy yoah mint julep on Peachtree Lane in... y'know, Evansville.
I grew up 90 miles north of Berberry, and where we grew up you didn't talk disrespectfully of those who have passed away
And where I come from, we don't bullshit around and suddenly respect a total bastard just because he accomplished the astounding task of not breathing anymore.
Someone wants respect in death, they should earn it in life.
And yeah, before you ask, I hope people go around saying what a total bastard I was after I die, if in fact they considered me to be a total bastard.
However, out of respect for the poor grieving family, I'll be sure to extend my condolences to Nancy, should she happen to show up on .
However, I have noticed over the 56 years I've spent on this miserable planet that you Yankees don't live by the same code of conduct as most of the rest of the world.
What can I say, we can't all measure up to your standards of politeness.
"You Yankees", honestly. How about "Dan, you're an asshole"? Or am I suddenly the representative of all people north of the Mason-Dixon?
Because if I am, that's cool. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have any uses for a 100-million-strong private militia.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 14 of 109 (113363)
06-07-2004 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
06-07-2004 4:43 PM


It seems like the reverse is true today - if you're a dead guy, lord forbid anybody point out that you were a man and not a god, and that you may have made mistakes or made decisions that not everybody agreed with.
Yeah, that's about the size of it. Reagan seems to have become pretty much an untouchable, holy dead man. *spooky music*
Which is silly to me, because like it or not he was a very important public figure, who affected all of us for positive or negative. Everybody's going to have something to say about him, and it's ridiculous to think that everybody should only have good things to say after he's gone.
This does not, of course, mean running up to Nancy Reagan and yelling, "YOUR HUSBAND WAS A DICK!" But it does mean being willing to share that thought in... oh, say, a public forum where there are others who were affected by the bloated sack of crap dead man in question.
This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 06-07-2004 04:01 PM

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 16 of 109 (113366)
06-07-2004 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by berberry
06-07-2004 5:15 PM


I would observe the same formality no matter who died, except perhaps for a murderer or rapist.
How about to those who funded the murderers and rapists?
Say, with money made from sales of nuclear weapons?

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 19 of 109 (113374)
06-07-2004 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by berberry
06-07-2004 5:35 PM


berberry writes:
Am I really being that unclear? I said that I would observe the formality. I didn't say that you had to. If you consider Reagan a murderer or if you think he knowingly funded murderers and you can't wait a few days to say so then, by all means, knock yourself out.
Oy, I'm just trying to see where the line of respect is, here. I don't have a problem with you waiting however long you want, or never saying anything at all. But you do seem to have felt the need to pop on the thread and comment on the subject of breaching formality, and I'm just curious as to how far it extends.
Abshalom writes:
You're wasting your time arguing honor with the callous-hearted.
Us Yankees are a nasty breed.
Fortunately, my vast Yankee army (which I command, apparently) will be storming on down south pretty soon to cut off Evansville's supply lines, just for shits and giggles.
This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 06-07-2004 05:12 PM

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 23 of 109 (113470)
06-08-2004 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Ricka
06-07-2004 11:15 PM


Re: This is disgusting!
If you fools couldnt get it off your chests while he was alive, then you are doing nothing more than taking cheap shots.
What exactly makes you think I wasn't saying anything bad about Reagan when he was alive?
The very least you could do is allow a time of mourning.
I'm sorry, I'm still mourning the victims of "the moral equivalent of our founding fathers", and wondering why a disease that has now reached pandemic proportions wasn't worth researching, just because the highest number of victims at the time happened to be gay.
As far as mourning goes, Reagan can wait his turn.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 31 of 109 (113586)
06-08-2004 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Abshalom
06-08-2004 11:33 AM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Right, can I get a quick show of hands here... is anybody on this forum actually personally mourning for Ronald Reagan? I don't mean you liked him as a president, I mean you knew him, called him friend or more, and it grieves your heart that he is gone?
Anybody?
I mean... what with all this talk about a period of mourning, there's got to be somebody here who actually has a vested interest in mourning for him.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 36 of 109 (113592)
06-08-2004 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Mammuthus
06-08-2004 12:05 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
"Actually, we're Cyanide... a loving tribute to Poison!"
"We need a ride home!"

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 40 of 109 (113598)
06-08-2004 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
06-08-2004 12:25 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Hi Dan. Nothing wrong in mourning for a loved president as was the case with the majority of Americans. Why does one need know one's beloved leader personally to mourn his death?
Hey, Buz. People can mourn his death without knowing him, I agree. But the way this thread is gone, you'd think criticizing the man was tantamount to stamping all over the hearts of his loved ones. So I guess I was just making a point... I figured there had to be a couple of his loved ones around for anyone here to be stamping on their hearts.
I mean Hell, I mourned for Jack Kirby, but was still willing to acknowledge that his later work was crap. Even on the day of his death. Why? Because I didn't know the guy personally, and it wasn't exactly tearing my heart out if somebody took a slam at him in front of me. Especially if it was a true slam.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 41 of 109 (113600)
06-08-2004 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Abshalom
06-08-2004 12:29 PM


Re: It's Just Spurious
Dan, maybe it's just that you have a vested interest in either substantiating the premise of this sorry thread, or vindicating your continued classless commentary.
Actually, I'm just getting a great deal of entertainment out of this thread. Thanks for helping with that, Abshalom. You're a peach.
In the meantime, I guess we can take your above response as a no?

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 51 of 109 (113622)
06-08-2004 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Ziw eht ekima
06-08-2004 1:33 PM


Mike's evil twin knows the score.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 74 of 109 (113915)
06-09-2004 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Chiroptera
06-09-2004 1:56 PM


Re: This is interesting.
Damn liberal media.

"He supposed that the intent of the Gospels was to teach people, among other things, to be merciful, even to the lowest of the low. But the Gospels actually taught this: Before you kill somebody, make absolutely sure he isn't well connected."
-Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

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