Christianity For Morons

Lam,You're right, but this is light entertainment to me. I can almost type dedemona's response myself. It will be utterly evidence-less, & logically flawed. That's the fun of it!Mark

No,I didn't ignore your posts,I didn't see them.
My evidence to support God exists is DNA,and the human body.
also if you would allow a christian to lay hands on you & pray,
for God to make himself real to you,you would know if God was real,if
you had faith.
The human cell cannot be created niether can it come into existence,
by itself.
Instead of name calling and accusations that show what you are -
really all about,why not try to give people the benefit of the,
doubt,or is that beyond your realm of understanding.
The claims you give are in no way support or evidence.
Scientists are christians,and many who are not do not believe in,
evolution.
Science is not a threat to christians,and to think it is, is not,
doing your home work.
perhaps you just don't like christians?
Why would you believe that a complex molecule like DNA could come,
into existence by chance?

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Desdamona

Thank you for your great eye for detail,but I'm not here to home,
school.
If I were,I would be here to convert people,rather than find out,
what evolution is about,and why people believe in it.
If you did homeschool you would want a break from it too.
I am not allowing my children to be exposed to the idea of
evolution,and I believe this is why you are so quick to judge,
my writing and grammer.
I don't think you have many skills in these areas,but I'm not making,
it a personal problem.You just insulted two of us. Happy now? Not personal? O.K.!
Can you please stay on the topic now?
the web site may not be up to par,but you still could use good manners if you had any.

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Desdamona

Still, we would like you to explain first of all why God is needed for the function of DNA, and in what way including God makes the model better at predicting and explaining things.I understand you point completely; DNA is one of the more complicated and amazing part of biology/science. However, not everyone will agree that comlicated equals divine.Sadly, just saying "I see God in it." is not a very good way of explaining your reasoning to others. The model of evolution works equally well with or without God.A friendly suggestion to you would be to, if possible, visit your local schools and see what textbooks they use for biology; maybe you can borrow one. They are very good at explaining things in as simple ways as possible, and leaves the philosopical arguments out of them, so you can chose yourself on how to reflect over the information.To you others, I really think you should chill out a bit. I don't think (I sure hope not) she does this intentionally, and you are still dealing with a person (FFA or not).

desdemona, And how exactly is this a test of creation?This is a perfectly valid indictively derived hypothesis. However, you must now deductively test it. What is it specifically about DNA that compels one to conclude creation from it? Complexity? Nope, we've seen that evolve. What predictions does creation make about DNA, what falsifications are there? If there are none, then your argument is equal to saying fairies push the earth around the sun. ie. It is untestable. You don't have an argument.WE have already seen beneficial mutations form new functioning genes & operons (multiple, functionally linked genes, ergo; complex function) that required nothing more than random mutation & natural selection to form. Another circular non-sequitur. I wouldn't KNOW anything by having FAITH. Good grief!! Yes, they do. That's how you get an entire body from a fertilised egg. How can I possibly give you the benefit of the doubt when you have been caught red handed lying & being a hypocrite. Why don't you apologise for lying & being a hypocrite? Why not? If evolution occurred it would be recorded in the rocks. I have shown beyond all reasonable doubt that it is. How is this not evidence? Science blows fundamental Chrisianity out of the water. The study I presented to you is scientific. It supports evolution. Please tell me how this isn't a threat to fundamentalist Christianity? I don't like my wife? That would be knews to her! I don't. Natural selection has nothing to do with chance.Now, I'm still waiting for a logically reasoned & evidentially supported argument against the evidence I presented. Merely saying it isn't evidence without a supporting argument doesn't cut the mustard here in the real world of logic, reason, & evidence.Mark

O.K.,then, I must not allow myself to think you believe in the,
big bang theory,right? As it too,would be false?
Do you find something wrong with the way I am learning?
If you do,can you supply a library for me?
I am not just looking at one web site.I have left the one in-
question because I see that it's not being fair or accurate.
This is the same thing I have seen being done to christians,and
the bible,and it's wrong no matter whose doing it.
I am still trying to get the information down,but I think you,
are trying to confuse faulty DNA with the basic concepts of DNA.
We inherit things that are faulty through our families.
DNA in and of it's self is too wonderful to claim it came into being,
by chance.
No one has ever been able to even mutate a fruit fly,much less any,
thing else,so if it were so simple to prove life happened by chance,
it would have been done already.
I don't believe that DNA in any way could ever support evolution.
I don't have to take it personal when someone doesn't agree with me.
we have a right to believe as we choose to believe.
I believe what I believe on my own,and not what others tell me.
I am new at learning about evolution,thats no reason to harp on it.
I am saying that you have a right to believe in it,and that I am not,
judging you for it.
I also deserve the same right.
Because I'm not very well educated in evolution and you are,so what!
Giving tude' just proves that I'm not the one whose hostile,only those with the tude'.

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Desdamona

I know she is a person, and I've been dealing with respects to a person. If I treated her like a computer, I would have typed in:cout << "Please please please provide some premises for your amazing conclusions. \n";We have a philosophy debate every week at my school, and since I am the president (my job is too keep people on topic and keep a look out for false information or crap evidence) I will say it straight out to whoever that's distributing false claims to go to hell. Just because you are a person doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. I am just irritated by her posts after posts after posts that tells us absolutely nothing beside how little she knows about science.

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The Laminator

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Again let me just say,you are an American with the freedom to,
choose to believe what you wish.
You just gave an example of what you believe.
This is fine.
I believe very differently,but thats what we already knew.
Sylas,I respect your right to choose and think what you wish to.
I hope to leave this experience telling other christians what I,
learned.I don't want them to come here or any other place that supports evolution thinking they will find a big pack of God haters,
as I was told.This is false, and I think other christians need to understand this and know what it is that evolutionists do believe.
I believe those who dislike christians and evolutionists spread lies,
about both sides,because it seems like many lies are being told,and-
I believe evolutionists are misunderstood a great deal of the time.
If this message board is any indication of whats going on in the world,it needs to change. I cannot change the world,but maybe I can-
help my corner of it?
I don't think we should hate one another just because we view things,
differently.
It seems to me that there are many good and kind evolutionists.
I want to tell my christian brothers and sisters that,and what the,
lies and myths are about evolutionists if I can.
blessings.

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Desdamona

By the way, Des, a simple advice to you.When considering a scientific theory that is more or less mainstream and well applied, it is often wise to see what effects, in form of technology and such, that it has resulted in.For example, computers are a great example of a reason to put trust in the theories regarding electricity and, to some extent, quantum physics. It also shows for example that you can fit a LOT of information in very small things, as was mentioned earlier.A lot of advances in medicine are due to advances in genetics, for example. We can determine if a specific person is father to a child, using exactly the same methods and reasoning as when determining degrees of relationship between different animals.

Thank you Lam!
Yes,I was a poet at one time.
Perhaps I never lost that style of writing?
Ask my kids,they don't often see this.
I am trying to be considerate to others,but I'm sorry-
that you don't see that.
My writing style shouldn't upset you so much.
I am blessed that I don't take your attitude personally.

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Desdamona

I have a great deal of respect for science and medicine.
I know that the I.D. chip that is now being sold to the public,
can hold a person's whole life story,and financial status,and,
medical information,and even their DNA profile some claim.
Pretty neat huh?
The only thing is,that I believe that this I.D. chip will one day,
be used by the anti-christ. It has your personal data that can be -
viewed in a short time,it can track you no matter where you are,and
you will lose alot of privacy.
Loss of privacy for safety,hmmmmm.....
It's so odd that the antichrist is said to be the one who pierces,but
if I'm wrong,then I'm wrong.
I don't trust it personally.

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Desdamona

I believe that both DNA and RNA are very important.
As I have said before,I am not staying at this message-
board.I'm just trying to get a better understanding of,
evolution and why people believe in it.
I want christians to know the truth,and not have the wrong,
idea.
I believe the whole entire Holy Bible supports my claims.
that may not be good enough to you,but I didn't go to a
school where I was taught as you were about evolution being,
the only possible explanation for life.

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Desdamona

I wouldn't say. The model of evolution is merely an observed relationship between things we can see in nature.It isn't a "It has to be this way." model but a "As far as we can tell, this is how it works.".It is completely useless if what the model says doesn't correspond to reality.On the same note, what we see in nature can't be disregarded. Even if you believe in something, you have to base that belief in what you can actually observe and experience, right?So why are you so 'against' a model which merely states what we have observed and can expect to observe?

I didn't say you didn't like you wife! In fact,I didn't even know-
you had one.
You are so wrong about science and christians!
This is where you have lied your pants off here in my opinion.
Instead of reciting what your teachers have told you,think for your
self.
Creation it's self testifies that God is alive and well.
Israel is a nation again,and The Jew's are coming back to Israel.
The love of most does seem to be growing cold,and people no longer,
want to listen to sound doctrine,they have itchy ears,only hearing what they want to hear.
what is abortion to you?
To me it is murder.
Babies are innocent,all of them are.

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Desdamona

I believe that DNA and RNA shows that intelligence created us.
I believe we were planned,and that someone greater than us put,
us here.
I believe that DNA has shown that we are wonerfully and fearfully-
made by a loving creator.
I cannot make others believe that,but it's what I truly believe.
I know that the public schools now teach evolution,although many,
are trying to get christianity taught in schools on an equal time,
I do believe it could be useful in helping me understand more.
Biology is something that is also very much like a miracle that even-
Doctors claim they don't fully understand.
I have had 5 children,and have been told by Doctors that the miracle,
of life is still a miacle to them.
They do not fully understand everything about the making of a baby.
I have seen a video where evolution has tried to explain it.It -
showed that life came from the Ocean or the sea.
If Doctors are still in awe over the miracle of life,that tells me,
alot.
Archealogists have given their lives to God after finding things that
support the holy bible,and these are highly inteligent people.
DNA forms a certain pattern in a sequence.I believe this suggests also,that it was designed.
The butterfly is such a beautiful creation,that it hardly seems like,
a random act of existence to me.There is so much beauty in creation,
and life that it doesn't make sense to me that it all happened by -
chance or accident.
DNA= data not accidental
Many scientists say that matter does not produce life.
Professor Fred Hoyle said: if there were a basic principle of matter,
which somehow drove organic systems toward life,it's existence should easily be demonstrated in the laboratory.
If matter were capable of giving of giving rise to life on it's own,
then it should be possible to synthesise life in laboratory conditions. However,not even one organelle in a cell can be reproduced in the laboratory,let alone a complete cell.
Modern science has revealed that there is a design in nature.
When I was trying to become pregnant,I would take my BBT (basal body temperature) every morning. Like clock work,a definate pattern would-
form every month,whether I concieved or not.When I did become pregnant,my temperature would stay higher than normal until some time after the child was born.
The pattern of these temperatures is amazing.
Most women will see this happen if they still ovulate.
I have used BBT for many years.
If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant she really cannot get much,
use from it,except to know when she will have her next period.
It's highly accurate in telling a woman if she is fertile or not in
any given month.
If my period were to be late,and I took my temperatures all month,I'd
know why,I would either be pregnant or know I was just late,but I would know one way or the other.
The BBT method is very useful,but can be a chore at first until you,
get use to it.
Many women have babies everyday,and population is still going strong,
so for most women it will work very well.
The pattern in BBT shows us that a womans body is very unique,and very different from a mans body.
Women are made a certain way,and I personally believe we were made,
on purpose.Men who take their temperatures have seen that this cannot
be used accurately on them.
Pregnancy tests that determine the hormone found in pregnancy called HCG can be detected in the urine fairly soon after pregnancy.
Accident? I think not.
Pregnancy has three stages.The life of the unborn baby is amazing.
The baby's nose is plugged for the 9 months of life,and it's lungs are not fully developed yet until shortly before birth.,yet it can still live. The Mothers blood never mixes with her babies blood.
This to me is a miracle.The mothers body normally won't reject her baby,yet her body will reject other foriegn bodies.
Life is amazing!

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Desdamona