atheism

I quite agree... I've asked this question for a while now and all I get are non-answers... "god is good, god is love, god is perfect, etc."...
---those are answers
I'd like someone to explain to me how god can be "everywhere", ie., omnipresent, and yet as a strong atheist, I have to go looking for him across the far corners of the known universe.
Is god in hiding?
---If you saw him you wouldnt have to have faith anymore, it wouldnt require anything on your part.What I want to know is how god can be claimed to be omniscient, "he knows what you're going to do", and we can still pretend we have free will?
---Humans are very very predictableWhat I want to know is how can an "all loving" (omnibenevolent?) god tolerate the cruelty and vileness that are embodied by some aspects of humanity?
---He doesnt tolerate it but he still loves us.here's what i believe- the universe, or cosmos, which may be composed of millions of universes, is infinite... it had no beginning, and will have no end... thus it had no creation, and therefore no creator...
--that requires as much faith as Christianity does, probably more faith actually. Actually its uncertain if the universe is unlimited and im sure if the big bang just happened then itll end just as soon and their goes everything science has accomplished with it.Hmmm... You might want to pick up the April '02 issue of Discover magazine for the article "Guth's Grand Guess" pp32.
Inflationary theory is, based on recent observations, pretty much the dominant Big Bang theory right now.
I liked this line, "The primordial "stuff" of inflation, he and other cosmologists contend, is very likely a spontaneous creation, a no-strings gift that boiled out of absolutely nowhere by means of an utterly random but nontheless scientifically possible process."
And, "All matter plus all gravity in the observable universe equals zero. So the universe could come from nothing because it is, fundamentally, nothing."
---Thats feasable, ive always thought our souls were on a different plane of existence.//so why do we need a god?//
To comfort us in our fears and to try to explain the "unexplainable" to people unable to grasp complex concepts.
---we need God because he is God and because he is love and he is.//if we stopped thinking in such geocentric dimensions, maybe we'd realize how small we are...//
If you shrink the earth the the size of a cue ball the earth would smoother than the surface of the cue ball.
The entire ecosystem of the earth extends from roughly 100 miles up to about 20 miles below the surface.
Dunk that cue ball in a muddy, algae-ladden puddle of water and whatever sticks is pretty much the earth.
Its all about scale.
---We are insignificant when compared to our Creator And Savior.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

wheres yours?

theyre are still things that are unexplained and are paranormal. such as ghosts and ufos but lets not go down that road.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

for me my faith and belief is based on what ive experienced so far. also i personally dont think theres enough luck in the world to make evolution or the big bang theory happen and get to the point of humans where we are now. i dont think a conscience or a soul can be evolved, definetly changed but not in the physical aspect.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

thereis no luck in creationism. it happened and we know it happened. everything was given to us by god. evolution requires a lot of evidence to be proven, every step in the chain must be shown. Christianity wont give any evidence until its the apocalypse.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

you never know someones true intent behind there actions, excluding Jesus. no one is better than anyone in any real sense but the way they treat you affects your judgement of them and how much you trust them.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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Originally posted by quicksink:
well then go home, KP, and call me when the fire starts pouring down from the heavens.

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until then, science stands.

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until then... but even then youd probably still deny it.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

Originally posted by KingPenguin:
you never know someones true intent behind there actions, excluding Jesus. no one is better than anyone in any real sense but the way they treat you affects your judgement of them and how much you trust them.Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
Hey! I agree with you! Except for the Jesus bit. I don't think we can know the true motivation beyond any of his actions, because that would be to know the true mind of God which is beyond us.
You understand that I was saying that morality, even a universal morality, has to take account to some extent of relativism, because even those who are clearly good and well motivated to some, will seem quite else to others.
How we resolve these issues is of course extremely difficult.KingPenguin:
well the bible says that Jesus's motivation was love for all of gods children and thats what i have faith in so i came to that conclusion. How he does it and why he does love us is definetly beyond me, i would despise humans if i were God. Just look at how many times people sin, or do something morally wrong.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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Originally posted by schrafinator:
Yeah, those stupid rules about stopping at red lights while I'm driving. I think they are really dumb and useless. I don't think that we should have rules for driving anymore because it's so unfair.

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just try to ignore him, i have. Him meaning SolidSnake------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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