atheism

I don't necesarily consider myself an athiest, but putting blind faith in "The creator" seems a little ludicrus to me. The entire bases for your train of thought is very primitive. Your own fear of your own insignificance causes you to blindly put your faith in God. When in fact, your inability to comprehend any natural forces capable of creating a universe adds to it. And you simply state "Oh well it can't be done, ther must be a god!"
Just because of a lack of understanding of science, you just assume that there must be a greater force simply because science cannot fully back up it's theories.
If you recall several ancient civilizations did the same thing. Anything they could not explain, they simply blamed on the Gods.
Keep in mind, I am not a full athiest. I beleive there is a logical balance between creation and science. It obvious many of you will get angry reading, but just think about why that is. You certainly would'nt care about my gullability. Is it possible this makes sense and your doubting your own beliefs?------------------
"There is no true reality. Things are only as real as your mind says it is. You have to find something to believe in, something worth fighting for, and pass it on to future generations." ~~David Hayter

More or less punisher, who is to say what is and isn't. With such a limited intelect we can only speculate.And Penguin I have a few things to say to you. Luck, is questionable term in that context. I would consider your faith a sustitute for luck in creationism, atleast the big bang is a pliable thoery. It can be accepted by just about anyone reagardless of religion. When really there is no "theory" of God. Just faith shared by every person on this planet on some level, who happens to have there own ideas and interpretations of who or what God is. Which brings me to the questions, where would you consider the Human race to be now? Who says a soul has to "Evolve"? And in the grand scale what have you experienced?I also must request that anyone try not to bring the supernatural into this. Most of it is just merely ludicrus myth and legend, while much more unrelated to this debate, and even more debatable. Really you can't look at paranormal events as a whole, but trying to classify them would just be absurd, are you aware that many beleive vampires to be arround during the time of Jesus (Even going as far as to claim Judas was one). This really could be an entirely new Topic, but can you try not to get into here? I really don't think aliens and bigfoot should be in such a debate as this.------------------
"There is no true reality. Things are only as real as your mind says it is. You have to find something to believe in, something worth fighting for, and pass it on to future generations." ~~David Hayter

Cobra once again you totally missunderstand what I'm trying to say. God is good and all, but I just don't see why you think he/she/it/whatever should be classified with Elves, the bermuda traingle, ESP, astral projection, bigfoot, aleins, telethapy, Psychokinesis, non-holy ghosts, werewolves, vampires, zombie, ect. Much of this may be relatable to the bible in its own way, but it doesn't exastly match all together. God may fall into some of these topics, but why would you want to classify him in the same category as these? To get into anything else would open the debate to anything Paranormal, Supernatural, or Occult. Trust me, you don't want to go there.Anyone interested in the works of body and spirit look up "Ko Hung" an ancient chinese alchemist who strongly bleived in the balance of body and spirit.In closing I have a riddle for you: Whats the difference between you and a Mallard with a cold?------------------
"There is no true reality. Things are only as real as your mind says it is. You have to find something to believe in, something worth fighting for, and pass it on to future generations." ~~David Hayter

I find it hard to beleive there is any universal law to right and wrong. Its basicly as open as someones idea of the perfect world. No one's idea is going to be the same. There may be common ideas among people, but it's highly unlikely that a group of people will all share common ideals. The only reason for simularities relates to society and stuff.

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
Of course there are differences in opinion, but does opinion mean anything in relation to right and wrong? Should Hitlers views be regarded as the same as Mother Teresa's?

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Of course not. There are universal morals, whether or not an individual wants to recognize them makes no difference.

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Actually, I'd actaully consider killing someone as opposed to giving up all my worldy possesions on blind faith. No one actually knows whats right or wrong. Most of your veiws are somewhat of a collection of things you picked up from parents and adults in your life. Remember Hitler had more than a whole country and military support backing him.
Let me ask you to explain these....Why did indians have no problem with sacrificing themselves or others until white people (Who they thought were gods) told them it was bad?What's with slavery, huh a lot of people believed in that? And why the KKK is still a national organization?Even kids act against your morales of right snd wrong until parents tell them not to or punishthem for it. In a way somethings could be broken into a child like a common domestic animal. Obviously its not that big a deal now, but consider how much of the past has been so barvaric. How could morals differ so greatly from continents and time periods?------------------
"There is no true reality. Things are only as real as your mind says it is. You have to find something to believe in, something worth fighting for, and pass it on to future generations." ~~David Hayter

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[This message has been edited by Solid Snake, 03-11-2002]

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
Well, I suppose the main difference between myself and a duck is 800 million years of evolution.

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Also, I don't have a cold.

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Actually, ones a sick duck, and I can't remember how the rest of it goes so your mothers a whore.------------------
"There is no true reality. Things are only as real as your mind says it is. You have to find something to believe in, something worth fighting for, and pass it on to future generations." ~~David Hayter

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
thereis no luck in creationism. it happened and we know it happened. everything was given to us by god. evolution requires a lot of evidence to be proven, every step in the chain must be shown. Christianity wont give any evidence until its the apocalypse.

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I still don't get it. Just because you say it happened it happened?
Atleast theres enough evence to theorize about things like evolution.
You really have no authority to say what truly happened, just speculate in your limited imagination in some false hope your life is not meaningless. Atleast I keep an open mind, but there are other people who are so stubborn there stupid when it comes to faith and belief.

Thats exactly my point. (Maybe not so much in this case). But rules are ussually crap. You ever buy something new and it comes with a whole bunch of stupid warnings and cautions. No one ever read those things, but they're there to cover someones butt. I really have better things to do with my time, than read " Caution: Coffee is hot" In 4 different languages. Oh and don't worry, I know some of the people personally on this board.

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Originally posted by schrafinator:
The problem with Christianity is that it is not evidence-based, but relevatory, in nature. That means that anyone who interprets the Bible in a certain way, and who also gets a large enough group to agree with that interpretation, is going to have a lot of influence. Interpretation can obviously be wildly different depending upon the person and the circumstances, and this is why we have hundreds of Christian denominations.

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THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY.

I ask anyone to prove that there are universal moarals shared by anyone.
You looking for a challenge Cobra?------------------
And with that he threw down his flaming sword, and gave God the finger. Since then it has been decreed that angels are hence forth not to consume alchohol.~~~Metetron the Voice of God (Alan Rickman)