atheism

atheism and religion, let us make this clear, are completely separate from the realm of science. science provides the facts, and theology explains the creation of these facts...what really angers me is when people claim that there has to be a god... so how do you define god (bearing in mind that the bible said specifically that He created us in the image of Him)- is He white with a long beard, sandals, and a robe? Is he black? Is he brown skinned in a turban? Is he asian? Starting to get sticky, aren't we?here's what i believe- the universe, or cosmos, which may be composed of millions of universes, is infinite... it had no beginning, and will have no end... thus it had no creation, and therefore no creator...not one person in this forum could say otherwise- not one person could prove to me that this is untrue... unless you know something that i don't...so why do we need a god?simplethe universe is too large to without one...whybecause COMPARED TO HUMANS, the universe is incomprehensibly large...yeah, but adjectives are not inherent qualities- they are analytical statements- they are two measurements compared to eachother...who says that we should compare the size of the universe to ourselves?in fact, the universe shold not be large... it should be our median and it should be our ultimate- lookthe universe is incredibly large compared to the earththe sun is incredibly large compared to the earthyet the sun is incredibly small compared to the universe, and so is everything else.if we stopped thinking in such geocentric dimensions, maybe we'd realize how small we are......

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
[b]I quite agree... I've asked this question for a while now and all I get are non-answers... "god is good, god is love, god is perfect, etc."...
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sorry- those aren't answers- i'm asking if god id white or blacdk or muslim or asia- and why is he a man?

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I'd like someone to explain to me how god can be "everywhere", ie., omnipresent, and yet as a strong atheist, I have to go looking for him across the far corners of the known universe.
Is god in hiding?
---If you saw him you wouldnt have to have faith anymore, it wouldnt require anything on your part.

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fine, but what does this answer?

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What I want to know is how god can be claimed to be omniscient, "he knows what you're going to do", and we can still pretend we have free will?
---Humans are very very predictable

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no, no, no. i thought he knew the past present and future. I thought he was all-knowing, and therefore knew everything?

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What I want to know is how can an "all loving" (omnibenevolent?) god tolerate the cruelty and vileness that are embodied by some aspects of humanity?
---He doesnt tolerate it but he still loves us.

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everyone except non-creationist christians, catholics, mormons, jews, muslims, atheists, hindus, buddhists, aboriginals, afircans, russian-orthodoxes, chinese, and africans.

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the all-loving god loves 0.001 of the world population. Heaven must be a lonely place...

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here's what i believe- the universe, or cosmos, which may be composed of millions of universes, is infinite... it had no beginning, and will have no end... thus it had no creation, and therefore no creator...
--that requires as much faith as Christianity does, probably more faith actually. Actually its uncertain if the universe is unlimited and im sure if the big bang just happened then itll end just as soon and their goes everything science has accomplished with it.

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atheism is based on faith as much as christianity. both are well within the laws of whysics, although you can use another forum to go into that. but creationism, on the other hand, requires you to believe that god made the earth stand still so that the israelites could have an extra day battling. who's the faithful one now?

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Hmmm... You might want to pick up the April '02 issue of Discover magazine for the article "Guth's Grand Guess" pp32.
Inflationary theory is, based on recent observations, pretty much the dominant Big Bang theory right now.
I liked this line, "The primordial "stuff" of inflation, he and other cosmologists contend, is very likely a spontaneous creation, a no-strings gift that boiled out of absolutely nowhere by means of an utterly random but nontheless scientifically possible process."
And, "All matter plus all gravity in the observable universe equals zero. So the universe could come from nothing because it is, fundamentally, nothing."
---Thats feasable, ive always thought our souls were on a different plane of existence.

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[sniggers]

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//so why do we need a god?//
To comfort us in our fears and to try to explain the "unexplainable" to people unable to grasp complex concepts.
---we need God because he is God and because he is love and he is.

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prove it.

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[QUOTE] //if we stopped thinking in such geocentric dimensions, maybe we'd realize how small we are...//
If you shrink the earth the the size of a cue ball the earth would smoother than the surface of the cue ball.
The entire ecosystem of the earth extends from roughly 100 miles up to about 20 miles below the surface.
Dunk that cue ball in a muddy, algae-ladden puddle of water and whatever sticks is pretty much the earth.
Its all about scale.
---We are insignificant when compared to our Creator And Savior.

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when did i bring up the issue of god? compared to the universe, we are indescirbably small. you did not address that issue in the slightest.

punisheryou're really starting to get aggressive.but since you're right, give me a solid, indisputable piece of evidence that discounts the possibilty that god does not exist. one piece of evidence that would make stephen hawking gape.that's your challenge.but maybe you'd like a drink first.

can i add a d?i am an atheist who believes that the universe was created through a natural process. i do not believe that there had to be a creator. simple.now again- where is your evidence?

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
wheres yours?

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you're starting to get the point KP- both of us have no evidenceyet let me raise this point- science has never found anything supernaturalhumanity has never witnesses a major supernatural event.so far, we have explained everything from tornadoes to stars as natural abojects ruled by natural laws.

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
thereis no luck in creationism. it happened and we know it happened. everything was given to us by god. evolution requires a lot of evidence to be proven, every step in the chain must be shown. Christianity wont give any evidence until its the apocalypse.

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well then go home, KP, and call me when the fire starts pouring down from the heavens.until then, science stands.

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
thereis no luck in creationism. it happened and we know it happened. everything was given to us by god. evolution requires a lot of evidence to be proven, every step in the chain must be shown. Christianity wont give any evidence until its the apocalypse.

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well then go home, KP, and call me when the fire starts pouring down from the heavens.but let me say something. if god did create the earth 10000 years ago, and he did create a flood to wipe out all life on earth, then don't tell me that the only evidence will be when the apocolypse comes.come on, KP. if you are unwilling to give evolution and science something of meaning, go home and pray, go to church, and wait in antiicpation for evolution's fiery demise.until that day, science stands, and you're ignoring the facts.