Take the Atheist Challenge!!!

Then you'll have to continue calling me that, because I plan on keeping that avatar for a while. Anyway, "7 of 9" is fine (what an understatement. She's gorgeous!), although I'd prefer "Seven of Nine". But I have the distinct impression that you're not somebody who can be forced easily. I could say "Resistance is futile" but with you I'm not so sure. Excellent! Not now, I'm sorry. (It's bedtime on my side of the pond.) But maybe I could tempt you (Uh-oh, belittling mode again. So sorry, not intended.) to ruminate a bit on the term "Retrospective Coronations". It's quite significant. Have fun.

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"It's amazing what you can learn from DNA." - Desdamona.

Your post has a hint of doubt in it. I wrote the prayer, which means I had to think about it and contemplate my request. You don't seem to trust my sincerity. But then you didn't make the challenge.The original challenge did not include asking Jesus into my heart. In the book of John (which have I mentioned I have read it three times?) no where is it stated that one should ask Jesus into their heart. I'm sticking with the original challenge. I'm requesting that God show me the truth.

You can't say without reasonable doubt that she was born from a mutation.
I would think you are only saying that because you believe in TOE.
When in scientific reality, anything would be possible.Either way, what I am saying is that entire populations do not evolve at one time all the time.
That would be a difference between bacteria in the experiment and humans.
Just another evidence possibly. I would consider evidence of creation.
It also does not help explain what happened in the dish. There are contradictions that arise from this evidence, or theory.But as usual scientists will always pick the evidences that suit thier model of life.

Alot of scientists are guilty of the same thing.
To me it all has a negative impact on truely finding God.
From both sides. IMO

You are not paying attention.
Or you miss-read a few posts.
Go back and read the whole thing lol.

You keep coming back to What does science, evolution, the age of the universe have to do with finding or knowing GOD?How can science negatively impact knowing GOD?If tomorrow, someone produces living matter in a tube, what possible effect would that have on the existence of GOD?If next week, someone produces a MAN from dirt, how would that effect GOD?Once that step has been acomplished, probably within my lifetime, the next step is easy. The second person would be produced in the manner approved by GOD, cloning.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What happened in the dish was very clear. Some of the bacteria gained a mutation that provided resistance to the virus. These bacteria came to dominate the population because of natural selection. Then the virus mutated to counteract the bacteria's resistance.In other words there was a change in allele frequencies in not one but two populations (the bacteria and the virus.) That's two evolutions for the price of one.It's the only explanation because anything else is contradicted by the evidence. There's no contradictions, just facts. That evolution occured in that dish - twice - is fact. Not everybody's like you, Riverrat. Not all scientists are as dishonest as creationists.

What is the difference? No one is saying that any population evolved all at one time. The bacteria in the experiment evolved over time through several generations the same as any other population, such as humans, would. Bacterial generations are tremendously shorter than human generations.

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

Being sincere about the challenge only validates it. I wasn't doubting you, or not. I can't tell from here. I was merely pointing out that it takes sincerity to make it valid.At first I was like, you got a good point there about asking Jesus into your heart. I didn't recall where it said that. I was always taught to back up what you say with scripture, so I read a little.I know its not part of the original challenge, and maybe I am wrong for trying to alter it, but I feel if you are making a valid effort, that you be given the best shot at it possible(finding God).
I don't know if reading the book of John like this will actually bring God into your heart.
For me it was the reading and studying of acts that made me realize about the Holy Spirit.
You see the Holy Spirit is the key, and the "proof" most of us seek.
That is the beauty of Jesus, he died for our sins, so that we would be saved. Once we were clear of this, we get the Holy Spirit as a guide in our lives.
This is so important as to understanding how God works under this covenant.So if you would like too, I suggest reading Acts 1 and 2. It explains about the Holy Spirit.Here is where you find the part about asking the Lord into your heart.
The word heart is a figure of speech, said by most preachers, sorry.Acts 221 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.'[1]Joel 232 And everyone who calls
on the name of the LORD will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
among the survivors
whom the LORD callsOnce you have recieved the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you will be saved. You become a new creation in the eyes of the Lord. You looked for him, and you found him.
After that you can baptize with water if you want, or before. Jesus says you should be baptized with both water and the Holy Spirit.
It was at this point that I no longer wanted to sin, and enjoy living Spirit filled life.
For sin would take it all away from me.I also believe that telling God that you truely forgive those who sinned against you is part of it.
It must be an unconditional decision.

You can't see the signifigance in these evidences?
The difference, or are you stuck on one thought process?

Let me just say that I think all you guys in here are awesome.
I really enjoy this thread.
I hope to stay around for awhile.Espicially you Lam. I admire the covenant you made with your parents. But be aware, as the devil also goes to church every Sunday, and is praising God right next to you.

No, I don't see any significance. Maybe you could explain it to me better. I was explaining to you that there is no difference. Both populations have a change in allele frequency over time, over multiple generations. What is the difference?

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

I hope you at least read this whole thread before you decided to call me dishonest.Being dishonest goes against every fiber of my being at this point.
I believe I already proved that evolution is not fact. As a matter of fact you scientists proved it yourself with your own description of theory.Calling evolution fact is a mis-interpretation of the English language. It also confuses people, and probably makes creationalists upset.Can we agree on this everyone, that what happened in the dish was a mutation?
So mutation is the fact, and evolution is the theory based on that fact and other facts.I mean a few people have said that it takes more than just a mutation in a dish to complete evolution. So it would be incorrect to name the mutation as evolution.When TOE tries to explain this, and TOE cannot be proven, then TOE cannot be a fact. Facts are actual things.Its a small difference, but important.I believe in God whether he created us the way we are as you see us, or he created us to evolve, which I am not sure if that really works anyway.

Well, my atheism goes both ways for God and the devil.

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The Laminator

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Well bacteria can evolve in groups, where as humans might not evolve in groups.Different.