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Author Topic:   Where does it say in the bible that the Universe is only 6,000 years old?
jar
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Message 11 of 114 (107075)
05-10-2004 9:48 AM


Or ask a Jew
in which case it's 5764.
I never did understand why Bishop Ussher simply didn't ask a Jew?

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Message 30 of 114 (108325)
05-15-2004 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by doctrbill
05-15-2004 12:20 AM


Edited to delete link to graphic located in Geocities. Yahoo won't let me link to it from here.
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If you view it as an outsider, not as the owner but as a viewer will, you can get the url that will usually work here.

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Message 33 of 114 (108337)
05-15-2004 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by doctrbill
05-15-2004 1:23 AM


And looking at that you can see that that model did fit certain observations.
It could be used to make predictions which could later be verified or falsified.
For example, Mountains and land are higher than seas. Birds fly above people but not as high as clouds. In addition, stars are further away since clouds can come between the stars, and the people and birds.
So until some observations came along that could not be explained by that theory, that model, it was okay.
It was only later with the advent of telescopes and additional observations that could not be explained by that model that it had to be abandoned and the Copernican Model accepted.

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Message 58 of 114 (108933)
05-17-2004 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Rick Rose
05-17-2004 10:46 PM


Re: The events of the fourth day in Genesis.
God's Active Force? What in the hell is that?

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Message 60 of 114 (108936)
05-17-2004 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Rick Rose
05-17-2004 11:15 PM


Re: More to it than meets the eye.
But you seem to be assuming that Genesis is a science text.
It's not a science text. It is a Creation Story, a parable. If you get too hung up on the specifics, the order, the steps, you are studying the brush strokes instead of looking at the picture.

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Message 75 of 114 (109047)
05-18-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Rick Rose
05-18-2004 1:29 PM


Re: More to it than meets the eye.
You injected...
The science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun,
moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; (8) sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; (10) man. Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general order. What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without
getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic. -- Life - How Did It Get Here? By evolution or by creation?
The problem is that that ordering is nonsense and completely wrong. It is simply something that did not happen and so to ascribe some great significance to it means nothing.
First, if there is "a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water" then there is an atmosphere. If it is ensrouded in heavy gasses and water, then there is an atmosphere. No way to get around that. Please look at Venus.
Second, if the Earth even exists, then the Sun must already be there so there is already light. No need to create it later.
"(4) an expanse or atmosphere"
Redundant. This step is already explicit way back in step 2.
"(6) land plants"
Once again, the order is all wrong. Land plants came long, long after the seas were filled with both animals and plants.
"(7) sun"
Bet them land plants were doing great without the sun for photosynthisis.
"(8) sea monsters and flying creatures;"
Again, the order is once again totally wrong. Sea monsters came much earlier in the cycle.
Finally, the most absurd statement of all...
Science agrees that these stages occurred in this general order.
That is simply a nonsense. Period. Don't know who told you that but they were lying to you.

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