Noahs ark is a physical impossibility

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Ever heard of a moon pool?

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Yes. Ever hear of a 4000 year old boat built with one? This is a serious consideration. Assuming the ark had this bit of technology, one would think it would have been used by boat builders in the years after the flood; and used by pretty much everybody, as everybody was descended from people who knew about it.Also, bear in mind, the Bible says nothing about this bit of kit. The Bible mentions a single window and a single door. So adding to the Bible is OK if it buttresses your theology?For a moon pool type of pump to work there must be an opening to the outside and this opening must be large enough that air can come and go relatively unrestricted, otherwise you don't have fresh air mixing with stale air but rather stale air being compressed and decompressed. I don't see any mention in the Bible of an opening large enough to work. I know that some have tried to make "and in a cubit thou shalt finish it above" (Gen. 6:16) into a bow to stern slit 22" wide, but this reading makes little sense to me.Ever hear of a 4000 year old boat the size of the ark? Why not? Surely the descendants of Noah knew how to build boats of such size. But instead, they built nothing remotely close to that size, nor is there any technology that could have been scaled up to that size. The boats would have broken apart. No culture, except the Chinese, have been able to make wooden-- ie, not reinforced with steel-- ships rivalling the ark and the Chinese did it 3500 years later.Now, about the door in the side of the boat... Don't you think this might leak just a bit? There is a reason that few boats have doors in the side of the hull.

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Second who says the animals were full grown?

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Most would have been by the end of a year at sea. And consider, say, baby elephants, they are as big as you.

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They could have been babies meaning not alot of crap.

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Either you have never been around babies, or you weren't paying attention. Babies do make a lot of crap. Besides, it wouldn't take much crap to make a 4 or 5 hundred foot boat unbearable and quite dangerous.

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Third not every species was on the ark. ex: Not every dog, only the one containing all the dna needed in order to produce all the different kinds.

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So you are in fact saying that every species would have had to have been represented. Dogs are ALL ONE SPECIES, though I'd argue some breeds are pushing the envelope.You have forgotten one major element. Food supply and fresh water. For example, a wolf needs about 2.5 pounds of food daily to survive ( twice that to reproduce successfully ) which means it would need just over 900 pounds of food for a year-- 900 pounds of MEAT no less. How is this stored and where is it stored? Try working out the figures for a few thousand "kinds" and you'll notice that the ark is far above carrying capacity.

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Do your research, then you can embarass yourself on this forum!

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I'm just waiting for a creationist to point out that the dinosaurs 'obviously' became extinct because Noah fed 'em to the dogs.

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LOL.... I like that!------------------
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Magic? Your solution is magic?------------------
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Well John, your response isn't all that challenging

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So your answer is magic? ... that isn't much of a challenge.

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if there's a god, there's the supernatural.

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Fine. If there is no god, there is no supernatural. Add the two ifs and they poof each other out of existence. If/then statements are only meaningful IF you can support that first clause.

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Do you claim to understand all that exists in the universe?

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Nope. So must I believe EVERYTHING on the grounds that it MIGHT be true, or believe what I can reasonably infer to be true?

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When I was born in 1935, color digital data flying through thin air would've been considered supernatural as well as space ships flying through space, and to the moon.

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So because we can now send ships into space we should believe that God made thousands of animals sleep for a year in a boat too small to hold them all but too large to hold together?

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Levitation and the supernatural exists documentably in paganism, the accult and spiritism.

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ummm..... there ain't no documentation. If there was you'd have a point. None of this stuff has ever been demonstrated under controlled conditions.

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Why must documentable Biblical stuff always be the exception with you folks?

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Its not. The Biblical stuff is just more of the same.

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Could the answer to that lie in the Biblical contention that the evil and the false exists, via the devil and his army to fight against God, good and truth to explain why things go as they do on earth?

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Not uite that simple, imo, John.

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I'm afraid it is. And you prove me right by trying to support that first clause. Lets see what you have to say about that, eh?

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1. Fulfilled Biblical prophecy.

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I haven't seen a good example of this yet, but you are welcome to take a shot.

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2. Archeological evidence of Biblical history, including supernatural events.

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Archeaology hardly paints the picture presented in the Bible. There are overlaps but the tales are not the same. The Bible slants the truth towards the people who wrote it, just like all similar cultural epics.And... evidence for supernatural events? Are you serious?

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3. The observed evidence of the supernatural in the occult, paganism such as voodo, spiritism and others realms of the Biblical evil phenomenon.
3. The observed evidence of the supernatural in areas of Christian fundamentalism.

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None of which, I am sad to say (truly), has any real evidence behind it.

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So you believe "magic"/supernatural may be true in some fashion?

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"Might" is a very big word. Pretty much anything might be true. That doesn't get you a hair closer to finding out what actually is true. You didn't answer the question.So must I believe EVERYTHING on the grounds that it MIGHT be true, or believe what I can reasonably infer to be true?

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1. Your assessment of the capability of the ark is relative to what you believe about the ark and the state of the animals therein.

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Yes. I assume it was constucted as per the dimensions in the Bible and I assume the animals were... well, animals and were of normal size, shape, density, etc. That is, I haven't added to or subtracted from what actually appears in the good book. You however have added at least one bit-- that the animals hibernated. It seems reasonable that this would have been mentioned. Perhaps you would also like to endow the ark with TARDIS-like spacial properties as well?

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2. There is, in the opinion of an ever growing number of credible folk

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Frankly, credible folk throughout the ages can be shown to have believed utter crap, so this appeal to public opinion falls rather flat. Maybe that is why it is considered a fallacy of informal logic?

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evidence to the landing site of the ark

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Someone is pulling the wool over you eyes. Even ChristianAnswers.net has the sense to not bet on this one. [qs]Dozens of expeditions to the Ararat region of eastern Turkey, mostly by American Christian groups, have led to numerous claims - but no proof. Has anyone discovered Noah's Ark? - ChristianAnswers.Net

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evidence to the fact of the flood

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The evidence just isn't there. Unless, of course, evidence of a regional flood 1500 years prior to the creation of the planet counts as evidence, as you appear to think that it does.------------------
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Right.Newton was an alchemist... Aristotle believed all manner of odd things about animal life... the list goes on...------------------
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But Schraf,You take a chimpanzee, give it longer legs, shave it, squash its muzzle, play with its voice box a bit and you have a human. Viola! ------------------
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See! Creationism ain't so bad.------------------
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i havent read this thread fully as it was too long - but noahs ark is not an impossibility-

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the bible states that noah took one of each "kind" onto the ark.

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as many animals (domestic dogs for example) are bred from wolves, it was only wolves needed. thats a lot less animals.

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The point you bring up is not the only problem with the ark. Another problem is that it just wouldn't hold together. But perhaps you should read the thread, much of this has been covered.Now, as for kinds...Lets look at everyone's favorite cruise ship, the HMS Titanic. Roughly calculated, the Titanic contained about 9 million cubic feet. The ark was about 1.5 million cubit feet. Now bearing in mind that the Titanic is 6 times the size of the ark, lets look at its capacity and supply manifest.The Titanic held 3500 people, double loaded. I imagine you could cram twice that on board. Now, for supplies... I've eliminated non-food items like cigars and alcohol. These were the supplies needed for one transatlantic crossing, not for a full year at sea PLUS survival until the first crops-- an if-ie project at best after the land was soaked in salt-- matured. So we need to multiply this figure by at least 15. Then we have to consider that this manifest is only for 3500 people. A common estimate I have seen is that the world's species can be reduced to 17,000 kinds. Thus we need to multiply the manifest by nearly 5. This is to fit on a wooden ship of 1.5 million cubit feet along with two of 17000 different animals. It really makes no sense.------------------
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