Christmas Star Explained

The size is unimportant. What is important is the portion of Heaven that was 2-3000 feet up before Jesus moved it. But there was a physical Heaven before Jesus moved it. You even said so. Its quoted in my post on this very page: So you lower your UFO but still do not see the problem: You can use whatever elevation suits your fantasies. The point is that the Physical Heaven you have proposed is below the height of Gods observatory in His spaceship.God ruined the tower of Babel project because he did not want man strolling into Heaven. Angels married women. God, presumably, needs a dock to park his ship in Heaven. These are physical attributes!2-3000 feet up puts Heaven below your spaceship. Tweak to your hearts content. Its just a story anyways, albeit not a very good one.

Personally, I'm not even on the defensive. I don't know why so many people took your bait. You can conquer whatever crackpot territory you want. Have at it. It's all yours.

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The size is unimportant. What is important is the portion of Heaven that was 2-3000 feet up before Jesus moved it.

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The spiritual level before Babel was low enough that man could have built a tower to it. Maybe we could stretch it to 4 or 5 thousand feet even, assuming they were real smart then, and could build that high if they really made an all out effort. But it was close at hand, we can say that.The separation of the spiritual from the physical in this universe left us in this physical only state we call natural. Here, there is no spiritual level nearby. (They can visit, but that isn't the topic)The same effect is what left us with decay, present light, and etc, including affecting lifespans and life processes.This is what you must mean by Jesus 'moving' the spiritual level.

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But there was a physical Heaven before Jesus moved it. You even said so. Its quoted in my post on this very page:

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So you think spirits need a physical place??? Strange. No idea about that trip, you are on your own there.

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You can use whatever elevation suits your fantasies. The point is that the Physical Heaven you have proposed is below the height of Gods observatory in His spaceship.

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Ha!! That is funny, but sad. Firstly, I propose no physical heaven. Forget that. Real heaven, yes. Not physical. What you need to get clear here is that the former spiritual level is gone long long ago. Wherever a plane, or God's wheels go does not matter, the spiritual level isn't here any more.Get it??

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God ruined the tower of Babel project because he did not want man strolling into Heaven. Angels married women. God, presumably, needs a dock to park his ship in Heaven. These are physical attributes!

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No. Not at all. Spirits can assume physical bodies, of course, they still can. But they don't live here anymore. They visit. Some visit a lot. God's wheels need no physical dock. Hard to believe you are serious.

And...? What is the second part to this tale? Surely if they could build a tower to it they could interact with it. This is physical. This isn't that hard to understand, hell its your story! Nope, only concerned with the physical aspects thanks. You think God would create languages and move everyone if the tower could not reach Heaven anyways? This is your trip, I am just along for the ride.Secondly! Why does God need a spaceship then? Strange. Perfect, this aleviates the need to post in the tower of Babel thread. Feel free to retract when you are ready. I'm not. Your answers have brought laughter to my household. Any and all seriousness is gone the minute I see you have made a post.

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And...? What is the second part to this tale? Surely if they could build a tower to it they could interact with it. This is physical. This isn't that hard to understand, hell its your story!

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No. For example the body of Jesus was not physical only after He arose from the dead. It was also spiritual. The new Jerusalem has real people in resurrected bodies like Jesus had. It also has mansions, and trees, and etc. But it is not a physical place. It is a merged place. In other words a physical and spiritual together place. Eternal.The physical only is decaying, dying temporary. Merged is the eternal state. Even in the past, the angels could take on a physical body. But, when their spiritual place was separated, they were no longer here.Now, to come to the PO place of earth, it is a distinct trip, and they need a passport, so to speak. A specific permit, or reason to be here. No longer can they marry, and mingle as they did.

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You think God would create languages and move everyone if the tower could not reach Heaven anyways? This is your trip, I am just along for the ride.

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Secondly! Why does God need a spaceship then? Strange.

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That was already answered. I never said that the tower could not have reached the spirit level of the time. No idea what you are talking about.The separating of the spiritual from the physical causes the different way of communicating, and processing thoughts, and words. No need to create different languages. The differences of men just become apparent as we are limited to PO thinking.A starship is what the bible describes, so why not??? Nothing else better explains the Christmas star according to the evidences we have.

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I'm not. Your answers have brought laughter to my household. Any and all seriousness is gone the minute I see you have made a post.

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Laughter is a good thing. When you start to realize where the joke lies, then that is a very good thing.

Ok, so God stopped them from building a tower to heaven because... I know you have no idea, its a common theme with you. Because its stupid. Feel free to think this way, you could start wearing Nike shoes and gather converts for the next comet.

oh, god, what do you expect me to do here? i can't even convince him to read the bible.

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ancient greek is coincidentally contemporaneous to ancient hebrew. both were popular in the 9th-6th centuries BC. and frankly, if you knew even the first thing about the bible, you'd know that one of the most important documents of it is in greek: the septuagint. aside from that, the whole new testament was originally written in greek -- and we know with a relative degree of certainty that the people who wrote it (in greek) were also reading the greek old testament.and as i pointed out to you before, the hebrew (you know, the language that was around in the area when genesis was written) has the word ‘ shebet, meaning "staff." if you want to pointlessly relate it to other words, i propose you diddle around with ‘ shabat meaning "saturday." sure it's a tav instead of a tet, but no one will notice.Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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i explained this to you last time.this is the birthright/prophecy given to the person judah by the person israel -- that all israelite kings will come from his tribe.this is true of david. it is true of solomon. it is true of both of solomon's sons, jeroboam and rehoboam, kings israel and judah (the countries) respectively. it is true of every king afterward until zedekiah. and then the prophecy is broken by judah's exile in babylon. israel currently awaits a new king to sit on the throne again....a real, physical, "ruling the country" kind of throne. one in jerusalem. not a spaceship in orbit.

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Ok, so God stopped them from building a tower to heaven because...

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Because if they reached that level, they could live forever. That would not be good. First we needed our hearts changed, and cleaned of sin.

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Because its stupid. Feel free to think this way, you could start wearing Nike shoes and gather converts for the next comet.

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Your opinion that the Almighty can't get around and has wheels as the bible says is not clever, or based on anything.

The birthright changed when Shiloh came! Besides, that is your preferred interpretation."10. until Shiloh come--Shiloh--this obscure word is variously interpreted to mean "the sent" (Joh 17:3), "the seed" (Isa 11:1), the "peaceable or prosperous one" (Eph 2:14) --that is, the Messiah (Isa 11:10; Ro 15:12);"
Genesis 49 - Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.orgNeedless to say it has to do with the coming, and birth of Jesus! The Christmas star exemplifies that.I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel,..This fits. The Father beheld the birth, but not nigh. It was high above. The sceptre arose, the star of Christmas.Ps 45:6 - Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.here we have the throne, and sceptre in the same verse.

would you just propose a thread for discussion of ezekiel 1, since everything you've been on about these days has been about the merkabah? and then go discuss it there, and stop filling up those two other threads with your off-topic nonsense?

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err, no. assuming that shiloh = jesus (we'll hold off on that part for the moment), zedekiah, the last king of judah, died more than five hundred years before jesus was born. i'm not sure how you're drawing these connections. is it at random? it seems like it. ... and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.was THAT ever a quotemine! in otherwords, it's about a jesus. you just picked the wrong one. who smote moab? who possessed edom and seir? i'll give you a hint -- it happens only a few books later.you really should read that bible of yours sometime. "nigh" means "now." i don't know what you think "scepter" means. but it's a staff. yes. it's a symbol of royalty. so is a throne. both signify a king. an earthly king sat on a throne, and held a scepter. one of the classic images of god is as a king, so they use kingly terminology.why is this so hard? MUST you make up random new meanings for words, and misread everything?

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What is there to discuss about the fact that the bible says God has a flying sapphire throne?? I use it for a reference. You can't deny it. Give it up.Da 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.The issue here is the light that was over Jesus. Was this the Father looking down from afar as prophesied about Shiloh??I don't see you proposing anything else here.