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Rahvin
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Message 96 of 145 (425538)
10-02-2007 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Cold Foreign Object
10-02-2007 4:56 PM


Re: Atheist-communist-evolutionists and murder
How do we explain persons who believe Hitler?
Hitler didn't just "claim" to be Christian. He was visited multiple times by the Pope himself, and his actions were condoned by the Church (remember, the Catholics had still officially charged all Jews with the "crime" of Deicide for the execution of Jesus at this time).
All of Hitler's speeches contain religious overtones. Mein Kampf is even more direct:
quote:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against
the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the
Lord."
"I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and
shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me
almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness
in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the
sincerity of this conviction."
"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the
Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their
whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of
the Lord's image."
"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the
heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last
time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful
children."
Those are just a few excerpts.
At some point, whether Hitler believed his own press becomes irrelevant - he used Christian imagery, dogma, and beliefs to pursue the extermination of Jews (and even Christian sects and individuals who refused to support him, along with other minorities often overlooked). Whether he really believed what he said (while I think he did) is actually irrelevant, just as would be the question of whether L. Ron Hubbard really believed in Xenu or whether the Pope actually believes in Jesus.
Like I said: persons who believe Hitler told the truth when he claimed to be a Christian, in these exchanges, are Atheist-evolutionists.
And you don't know anything about history, Ray. Your thought process is literally as simple as "atheist=bad! bad=atheist!"

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 109 of 145 (425562)
10-02-2007 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Cold Foreign Object
10-02-2007 5:49 PM


Re: Atheist-communist-evolutionists and murder
You have misunderstood. Nobody denies his "religious fervor." We are attempting to verify its validity.
Which is impossible. There is no way to truly know the motivations of another individual. All we can go by is their stated motivations - in Hitlers case, his reasons were religious in nature.
His actions were protested by the Church to no avail.
Which church? Not the Catholic Church. Not when the actions were actually taking place.
Since you believe Hitler, I am relieved and complimented. Your approval of my historical knowledge would have made me like you said.
My "approval" is irrelevant. Your statements are devoid of facts. You equate atheism with mass murder, and so you fanatically defend the idea that Hitler was an atheist in spite of evidence to the contrary, and with zero supporting evidence of your own other than your "atheist=bad, bad=atheist" circular argument. You're simply delusional and wrong, Ray.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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