Anti-theistic strawmen?

Hitler murdered many Protestants and Catholics too. But it appears that you have misunderstood my criticism. I simply explain the fact that you believe a mass murderer when he claimed to be a Christian by pointing out that you are an Atheist.Nobody in their right mind would believe anything that Hitler said.Ray

So when Stalin says that he was an atheist, you believe that he was a Christian?

I am a zealous Christian just as much as you are a zealous Atheist and evolutionist.How do we explain persons who believe Hitler?Like I said: persons who believe Hitler told the truth when he claimed to be a Christian, in these exchanges, are Atheist-evolutionists.Ray

Who said I was an atheist? Beleiving Hitler's claim to being a christian does not make me an atheist.Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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I think an argument from authority is especially baseless here. The idea that anybody could be an authority on God seems like childish theology to me.

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Hitler didn't just "claim" to be Christian. He was visited multiple times by the Pope himself, and his actions were condoned by the Church (remember, the Catholics had still officially charged all Jews with the "crime" of Deicide for the execution of Jesus at this time).All of Hitler's speeches contain religious overtones. Mein Kampf is even more direct:

quote:

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"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against
the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the
Lord."

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"I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and
shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me
almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness
in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the
sincerity of this conviction."

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"Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the
Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their
whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of
the Lord's image."

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"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the
heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last
time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful
children."

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Those are just a few excerpts.At some point, whether Hitler believed his own press becomes irrelevant - he used Christian imagery, dogma, and beliefs to pursue the extermination of Jews (and even Christian sects and individuals who refused to support him, along with other minorities often overlooked). Whether he really believed what he said (while I think he did) is actually irrelevant, just as would be the question of whether L. Ron Hubbard really believed in Xenu or whether the Pope actually believes in Jesus. And you don't know anything about history, Ray. Your thought process is literally as simple as "atheist=bad! bad=atheist!"

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Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

By noting that Hitler sometimes did tell the truth.

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My identification that Hitler was an Atheist is based on the fact that he was a mass murderer, and based on this fact, we conclude that he was also a liar. Objective persons know for a fact that Stalin was a communist and, of course, an Atheist. His Atheism, like Hitler's, is confirmed by the fact that he was also a mass murderer.Ray

it's not that he could be an authority on god, but that biologists deal with life and not extra-universal junk. my assertion here is that --aside from anyone's ordinary philosophizing-- no one can refute god.

If you find that your post
contains the name Hitler,
is critical of atheism,
is critical of evolution or 'evolutionism'
refers to any supposed atheistic dictator,
then you are probably not on topic.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

How do you confirm or corroborate Hitler's claim of being a Christian?We conclude the claim is false based on millions of murdered persons.But let the record reflect that you believe Hitler. Your belief is explained by the fact that you are an Atheist-evolutionist.Charles Darwin had a degree in theology (BA, Christ's College, 1831, tenth in class of students not competing for honors). Was Darwin a theologian?Ray

If you're going to put us all in the same "no one" boat when it comes to refuting God, how can you separate childish theology from mature theology? How is one person's ordinary philosphizing distinguishable from another's?

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This isn't an argument, though. This is just "atheists are bad people; anybody who's bad, therefore, is an atheist - including the people you think are Christians."Heard it. It's about three fallacies rolled up into one - poisoning the well, affirming the consequent, and "no true scotsman."

You have misunderstood. Nobody denies his "religious fervor." We are attempting to verify its validity. This comment says anyone the Pope gives audience to is a Christian. His actions were protested by the Church to no avail. Since you believe Hitler, I am relieved and complimented. Your approval of my historical knowledge would have made me like you said.Ray

That's great, but until you deal with all the refutations of God, show how they're wrong, it's abundantly obvious that many can and have refuted God.That you refuse to believe that anyone can, even after so many have, is part of the problem Dawkins refers to in the God Delusion.