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coffee_addict
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Message 16 of 73 (221944)
07-05-2005 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by notwise
07-01-2005 11:33 AM


Lam's experience to atheism
This was sometime during my junior year in high school. For a period of many weeks, I spent almost every moment of my waking hour thinking about myself and my religion. After the whole ordeal, I was presented with 2 choices: (1) continue to be as religious as I was or (2) stop being religious.
There was a problem with choice 1. I thought for a very long time and very hard and I couldn't figure out how to continue being the way I was (I was raised catholic) and not be ignorant, selfish, and condeming.
Before you say anything, let me explain. By that time in my life, I had come to certain realizations that I accepted as absolute. By such standards, being christian is down right evil. In other words, I either had to force myself to be what I defined as evil or abandon the faith and live a moral life.
The transition itself was somewhat gradual. It wasn't something that was over night. Believe you me, I struggled for the longest time trying to figure out how to be a christian and not be evil (no offense to Jar and the rest of our resident christians here).
Over time, as I began to explore other religions, I also came to realize that no matter what I try, evil (by my standard) is destined to spawn. Another reason why I would define myself as a militant atheist.
Now, the hard part is having a wedding without a priest looking down on me... or have a wedding at all.

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Message 17 of 73 (221945)
07-05-2005 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by gnojek
07-05-2005 4:45 PM


IPU
The so-called invisible/immaterial pink unicorn dilemma is probably the most well known among everyone who has ever dealt with philosophy.
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Message 24 of 73 (221965)
07-05-2005 6:11 PM
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07-05-2005 5:26 PM


Re: IPU
gnojek writes:
I don't see how it's a dilemma.
It's a dilemma because it implies something much greater than just that horsey like creature that has a horn.
We can't say for certain that it doesn't exist.
So, are you saying that it is possible for immaterial and invisible unicorns to exist and are now roaming the streets?
If I said that I know it does...faith.
If I say that I know it doesn't...faith.
Well, according to our current official definition of the word faith, it is an unsupported belief in something, not unsupported disbelief. Otherwise, every human thought could be considered as faith. Get my drift?
If I tell the truth and say that I don't know one way or the other and probably never will, that's agnosticism.
Well, good for you.

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Message 34 of 73 (225127)
07-21-2005 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by riVeRraT
07-18-2005 7:19 AM


Re: Lam's experience to atheism
the rat writes:
We have probably been through this before, but can you explain how being Christian means you have to be evil?
I should also note that I used the word "evil" as a relative term to my standard of moral codes.
The way I see it, is being Christian has really only 2 guidlines, that's love God, and love others. Where is the evil?
This reminds me of a movie I recently saw. Wil Smith starring in 'I, Robot'.
The three laws are perfect, yet there can only be one logical conclusion that can be drawn from them. I'm not going to spoil the movie, so if you want to know what I'm talking about but haven't seen the movie, just go out and rent it.
2 good doesn't always result in an ultimate good.
Added by edit:
Oh yeah, one more thing. My love for my fellow humans are too great now for me to become a christian.
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coffee_addict
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Message 35 of 73 (225130)
07-21-2005 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by riVeRraT
07-19-2005 6:39 AM


Re: Lam's experience to atheism
the rat writes:
Is that Jesus's fault, or just dumb people?
Do you consider yourself to be dumb, rat? Because according to my moral standard, you are awefully close to being evil... at least your opinions so far on these boards.
Heck, I have a friend who is currently on a mission trip. That in itself I consider evil.
I'll tell you this much, he is a very devout christian who believes just about the opposite of what I believe in almost every subject. Sure he believes that stealing is wrong, but his christian values doesn't prevent him from believing that stealing from my tax dollars is wrong. I'll tell you this much right now. He just stole 200 dollars of my tax dollars.
Just because it's not green doesn't mean it's not money!

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Message 39 of 73 (225580)
07-22-2005 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by riVeRraT
07-22-2005 1:23 AM


Re: Lam's experience to atheism
the rat writes:
That statment is just so condratictory.
So your saying that to become Christian, you would have to stop loving people?
It's pretty clear that you do not like the people you define as "Christian"
I love my fellow human beings too much to destroy their cultures, takes rights away from the, etc.

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coffee_addict
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Message 56 of 73 (233800)
08-16-2005 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by riVeRraT
07-25-2005 7:46 AM


Re: The atheist Muslim
the rat writes:
Some people are forced to believe in God...
This process is called brainwashing of children, and I heard that christians are particularly good at it. Heck, just go to any anti-gay protest and you are bound to see a few signs that say "god hates fags" and "gay people are evil" being held by 7 yr olds, and I'm sure that 7 yr olds know everything about gay people

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coffee_addict
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Message 71 of 73 (234083)
08-17-2005 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by kjsimons
08-17-2005 9:40 AM


Re: The atheist Muslim
For the last time, people, it ain't matter if it's a choice or not. So what if a consenting adult chooses to fly an airplane, work with computers, go to the movies every Saturday night, etc.? Are you guys saying that you have to be genetically programed to do these things in order to do these things legally?
The gene argument is silly at best.

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Message 73 of 73 (235650)
08-22-2005 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by deerbreh
08-22-2005 4:46 PM


Re: The atheist Muslim
deerbreh writes:
(1) How do you explain homosexuality in animals if there is no biological cause?
I think you should just stop worrying with people like the rat and Tal. They've been ignoring my gay penguin info. Sure, if it's really a choice, then perhaps these animal are capable of choice and we should start treating them like choice making people.

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