The experience of converting

I respect that you would want to call it a conversion experience, but what did you convert from?
Being forced to believe in something you really don't understand?
Having religion forced down your throat to the point that it doesn't make sense anymore?
Being condemned by some guy in a robe who molests children?
Being told that you will go to hell for this, that , and the other thingy?Or did you just make a decsion to free yourself from your parents reign on your religious beliefs, and start the process of finding out for yourself? I would love to explore this one more. How could it be possible for an atheist to believe in good and evil? Don't you mean good and bad? And isn't it all subjective what people think good and bad are?
History would show that murder is very natural to our species, and is beneficial to some. Murder can save lives after all. Evil on a whole is extremely complicated. Because if it exists, this thing you call evil, then the devil has been around for a thousand years +, and he can trick us rather easily. To me dogma is evil. But there is a fine line between dogma, and real Christian values. Dogma is just man's poor interpretation of those values. Catholithism is all that + time = tradition = BS. However it seems to work for some people.Bad, which is what I think an atheist believes in, is just things that interfere with his/her life schedule. Having been raised catholic, then "converting" to atheism, then being agnostic, then being baptised with the Holy Spirit, and "converting" or being "born again", I can say this. (bunch of labels there) Out of all those experiences, the Holy Spirit was the only one that converted me. Like I always say, that day, I either found God for myself, or I became crazy.I think you experienced a sense of freedom, because deep, within the deep, within the deep of your soul, you knew something wasn't right. Getting rid of that monkey on your back, has released you to find your purpose in life, or what you were created for. I think its awesome.

We have probably been through this before, but can you explain how being Christian means you have to be evil?The way I see it, is being Christian has really only 2 guidlines, that's love God, and love others. Where is the evil?

Is that Jesus's fault, or just dumb people?

Well yea, but so does a "moral code". I guess thats why we are human.Yes, I saw the movie, but I see no relation to being Christian. That statment is just so condratictory.So your saying that to become Christian, you would have to stop loving people?It's pretty clear that you do not like the people you define as "Christian"

I agree. Is it possible to teach people from other cultures about Jesus, and yet keep their own culture. Can't they worship God in their own way?
Isn't it for them to decide, should we deny them a choice?
Or is this Star Trek, and we have to keep the prime directive?
Should we not share medical advances with them also?
Keep in mind that not every musslim might believe in God either.

What is it to believe, what's in a word?
In a world where you can be killed for being a Christian, or any other multitude of reasons, tell you think this is not possible.

Well, being Muslim, and not believing in God is a metaphor. Some people are forced to believe in God, and follow a tradition, then call themselves Muslims. I think you know about that first hand (your parents made you go to church.).
They should be given the chance to choose.
Terrorists are a prime example oh this. They kill people to prove their point, and claim they are representing a much larger group than they actually are.Or are you and Lam saying that its ok to be forced into that situation.
Do you believe in the rights of a human?

Thats so profound, but you missed the point.

You see though, I don't think thats right. It should not be a Christians job to bring condemnation on people. It should be our job to love people. The Holy SPirit is the one who convicts.As a Christian, or any other person of any belief, we don't have to agree on things, but we should keep that to ourselves. Or if it comes to making things that we don't agree on legal, we have a legal right to vote whatever way we choose. If we are hated for it, then that is the person who is doing the hating, problem.

I wish I knew. I think there is a movement now to abandend that idea, as it is not working. People can see through all the BS now. I think it's about time. I cannot convert anyone, I have said that many times. One has to be considered a minority first, not a chosen style of life, or desired sexual position.Please, show me the gay Gene.

w00t!!!

Na, it's all in your mind.Maybe your gay and you don't know it yet.Anyway, it was all discussed in another thread, lets not make this the gay thread, something that seems to happen a lot around here.

If you followed the messages back, you would see that it was the Lam that first mentioned gay, back in message 56.

Yea, of course not, because you are not following the topic anyway.