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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 48 of 73 (226755)
07-27-2005 12:13 PM


ianos conversion
Hi there...
Was looking around for a toe into the site and tripped across here. Seems like as good a place to begin as any.
There's probably a label that can be attached to the views I held before conversion to Christianity... but I'm not sure what it would be. I didn't think about God, didn't think about where the world or all the things in it came from, didn't think about my nominal Roman Catholic 'faith'. Neither did I care. Iano was Iano and lived his life as he saw fit. The prime thing that concerned me, was me. And that was, by and large, the view that seemed to be shared by people I came in contact with - so there was no reason to think there was anything inappropriate/invalid about it.
A constant throughout my life had been a tendency to live it intensely. As a kid it was the string of hobbies; entered into with relish, then developed to deep levels. Not for me, the casual picking up and discarding of interests once the initial novelty had worn off. Additional to a strong drive to seek fulfillment and enjoyment however, was a parallel companion called boredom. Whatever it was that gave initial satisfaction would eventually (even if it took years) loose it's lustre and I'd start to see the activity as being...well, a bit pointless really. There was always a void behind the surface satisfaction and pleasure. Something that remained untouched - no matter what I tried to fill it with: childhood hobbies, juvenile delinquency, drugs, sex and then when I came to my senses a little, university, work, success-seeking, homebuilding.
Satisfaction-seeking had, for me, the characteristic that I needed more as I went along. Yet for all the new thrills I could access, they never even approached the peaks of childhood ones. The shiny new motorcycle I could now easily afford, not a patch on the beat up old Suzuki I scraped my pennies together for. Neither did anything ever seem to pan out as expected. The promise always had a downside. The bosses, to think of one example, I had so respected for their confidence/abilities/power, were the same folk who had non-marriages/70 hour weeks /no relationship with their kids - once I had climbed high enough to get a view of things myself.
I couldn't have vocalised it so at the time but to me, life had to be about something and everything I looked at for meaning was transparent. They weren't substance - just beautifully packaged illusions.
Mild disillusionment with it all set in at 30. By the time I passed my 38th birthday that disillusionment had cranked up to despair. I was trapped. I had tried innumerable things to fill the void and although there were things as yet untried, logic told me that the results could only be the same. The itch was getting worse, the attempts to scratch it more desperate and damaging. I was an object moving in a straight line and no exterior force was having any effect. And the only direction I could go in was down.
It was at that point I turned to an unseen, unbelieved and unknown God and cried for help.
He did...and I haven't looked back since.

  
iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 50 of 73 (226811)
07-27-2005 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by ramoss
07-18-2005 8:31 AM


Re: Lam's experience to atheism
Quote Ramoss: (anybody tell me how you do a quote properly? Ta..)
"The evil is the fact that many "christians" insist that not only that their specific beliefs are the only way to get to god, but those people who 'Do not accept christ's blood for the remission of their sins" go to hell forever. This causes them to be arrogant, obnouxious, and treat other people as second class citizens. That is the evil"
Am with you on that one Ramoss. It's the simplest mistake in the world to cross the line when making such exclusive claims. Arrogance, piousness etc lie in wait. Me, to my shame can achieve expert status at times in this. However, telling someone that there is only one God and all other belief systems are wrong etc., is either:
- exclusive,arrogant,obnoxious and false.
or
- true...and only sounds exclusive, arrogant and obnoxious (which, given that you are telling someone that(possibly)heart-felt and life-long beliefs are completely wrong - is hardly an unexpected reaction)
The only way to avoid the charge of apparent arrogance/exclusiveness/intolerance (of any truth) is by watering down the truth itself. And who would want that?

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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 53 of 73 (226849)
07-27-2005 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by jar
07-27-2005 4:04 PM


Don't have to Wish I Was Here...I am
Thanks for that. Am a bit blown away by the site at the moment. Never seen anything like it in my life. The bloke who told me about it said it was....er....interesting. All my Christmas' come at once more like (I hope...a four page debate on what qualifies as an assertion almost had me run for cover...)
And just now.. got a flicker of a notification that someones replied to a post I made on this site. My cuppeth overfloweth
Think I'll have to give up the day job.

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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 55 of 73 (226880)
07-27-2005 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by AdminAsgara
07-27-2005 5:55 PM


Re: Don't have to Wish I Was Here...I am
Cocaine? Oh dear...I did smoke a joint once... but didn't inhale.
I have a medium-sized tendency toward arrogance, cutting remarks and pride. I've got a little tired of it. Evidently the Lord has too. Right...lets see how much of a thrashing I can take!
Thanks for the welcome and d'info...

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