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Author Topic:   Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Dan Carroll
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Message 80 of 264 (64366)
11-04-2003 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
11-04-2003 10:44 AM


quote:
Where do you arrive at this mark?
This is the closest I can find:
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
{A note from Adminnemooseus - There exists the topic "Old Habits Die Hard (The "mark" on Cain)"}
[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 11-04-2003]

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Dan Carroll
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Message 94 of 264 (64447)
11-04-2003 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by mike the wiz
11-04-2003 7:15 PM


Re: Absolutes
I'm sure it happens all the time.
If you're not picky.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 98 of 264 (64455)
11-04-2003 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by nator
11-04-2003 8:28 PM


Re: Some answers
quote:
It's not about lying. It's about things like self-deception, wishful thinking, selective memory, communal reinforcement, and other common, widespread, perfectly natural human thought biases.
I don't know if it's as harsh as all that.
From the first-hand accounts I've heard, fervent prayer seems to be a similar state to intense meditation, or drug-induced hallucination. There's a certain clarity of mind and intense awareness the human body is able to achieve all on its own, (with or without outside stimulus) and the feeling that God is non-verbally (or even verbally) answering a prayer isn't all that outrageous a claim.
The best descriptions I've seen come from books on Chaos Magic, which basically revolves around tapping the subconcious in a concious way (for want of a better phrase off the top of my head.) The way it reccomends achieving the state at first is by attempting to think during either a moment of orgasm, or during intense pain. (And they reccomend orgasm over pain, since pain sucks and orgasms are nice.)
But it's perfectly feasible to me that Mike and Buz are able to achieve this state by throwing their minds up to a being named God. (This might be inching toward a topic all its own.)

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