Yes. It cannot be otherwise. Without God (reality), there is no difference between a good deed and a bad one. The only reason we think a deed good, is because we believe that it reflects what should actually be. Or to put it another way, we believe it conforms to reality, and we must assume that reality is good.
so you have just contridicted the bible, god is god, reality is our precption of the physical universe, and even so reality is malible, or do you think that person with scizafrenia really doesn't have it? does that mean they see the same reality we do? if we do then why are they locked in rubber rooms and we arn't?
i don't know where you get the clue that we think an action is good because it reflects anything. we do good things because of the outcomes and meaning to others, what do you mean it conforms to reality? i don't do things for that reason, i do things because it makes people happy and i feel good, and it means something to me
So we assume in our minds by necessity that good is a 'real' thing. And 'real' is notably the root word of 'reality'. So 'good' is implicitly 'real'. And reality is inalteralbly ansolute! So reality is real, and it is good, then it must be perfect. Irrespective of our opinions of what perfection (reality) is... it is what it is. And since reality is not a lifeless concept but is alive unto itself, then 'I am what I am'.
'good' is not an object it is a qualifier for actions and things, you are just making up a convoluted word-salad, it just looks like you are trying to make good equal= reality when no one thinks of good verses evil as reality. i can't even figure out what this really means its a bunch of gobblity-gook equivation that doesn't work
That's why Jesus said, ...'No one is good but God'. We don't create goodness (energy can niether be created or destroyed), we can only reflect it
so is good matter and evil anti-matter then? this is a bunch of nonsense
Not at all in my mind. The one does not necessitate the other. A person may choose to do good for a number of reasons, apart from God. But it is still God's will being implimented, because if it really is good, then it works for good.
why the heck do you think reality is good? reality is neather good or evil, reality is nothing but a word to signify the preception of the physical universe
Reality exists for reality's sake. So if good is real, then to be good, I must do it for God. And this is what none of us do in terms of the implication of perfection that appears.
more meaningless babble, reality is neather good or evil, god is not reality god is god
If anyone claims their deeds do make them good, then they do not understand goodness (the inevitable conclusions of reality, reached within the boundaries of logic).
and you don't have a clue what jesus was talking about then, because jesus said good deeds do make you good
We may be good relative to evil and total hell (which earth has never experienced btw). But relative to God and His reality (heaven) we are wretched.
no we arn't, fanaticism makes it seem like that, but its normal in all life to think bad thoughts
That is why the doctrine of the fall is so critical. It places our bar above, rather than below. And that is the only doctrine that is logical if God is assumed to be good.
too bad its not remotely viable or biblical, all it shows is that you worship a tyrant who is a weakling
The reality in my mind, is that we were created to be good (perfect), and that is why we are not satisfied with ourselves (particularly others).
the reality is in your mind, so it isn't an absolute at all! you just killed your own argument, everything before this is babble by you. you make your own reality and it happens to be absurd, i don't care to be perfect or do i think thats root of anything
If there was no fall, then what do we need to climb from... Reality? No! We are trying to get up (in that sense) not down.
why does there have to be a fall? jesus didn't come to earth to save us from any fall, he came to save us from the actions god doesn't like, which you call sins, the sins are not of our nature they are actions, and jesus came to tell us what actions are right and ones arn't
if the fall is so damn important to our salvation, then why doesn't jesus talk about it?
The true measure of what is good, must, by logical necessity, be God (above). Anything less is not good.
thats not logical at all! what would be logical is to measure by how many people you harm when you preform an action, not some arbitrary god that may or may not exist!
And although we may display some measure of goodness, we are not good because good is perfect, perfect is reality , and reality is not relative but absolute!
good is a word to describe the pain we cause in relation to others verses another action, this claim you are making is 100% BS, reality is far from good, or do you ignore the storms, death disease and destruction in this world?
My brain hurts... Must have wine...
mine too, mostly from the garbage you are trying to shove around, you have shown in no way, that what you said is true
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