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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So the idea that just because species are changing due to reproduction means it is logical they could evolve into just about anything given enough time is illogical. Why?
Maybe they can change indefinitely, but that doesn't mean they are capable of infinite change, which was your original point. Why? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I have and frankly, it seems to be wandering into mirky waters.
Mutations happen. They happen continuously. The physical similarities between species was noticed many hundreds of years ago. Genetic discoveries have independently confirmed what was seen physically. We now are very close to absolutely positive that everything is related. We are very close to 100% positive that humans and the Apes are so closely related that it's likely we should all be in one classification. In science we never get to 100% proof levels but Evolution and the TOE are certainly as close as we have gotten with any theory. So what is the question? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I believe it would be on topic to point out that a Literal reading of Genesis disproves Genesis. If you are going to take Genesis literally, there is not one story but at least two mutually exclusive stories, two traditions and two cultures involved. The only way that Genesis does not falsify itself is if you interpret it, agree that it is not to be read literally.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You say
You clearly do not understand the basic question. The issue of "decline" is one of immorality, not knowledge. Mankind's consciousness "fell" morally. Frankly, not only is that not what the Bible says, it makes no sense. Are you saying that not knowing good from evil is more moral than knowing good from evil? Then you go on to say:
Perhaps and most likely this did include a decline in abilities as well, but the point is knowledge alone does not produce godliness. Again, that's just a silly statement. How can you have godliness is you don't know good from evil? Even the Bible disagrees with you. Read Genesis 3:22
22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Man's consciousness contained power so much so it was either a threat to God or to himself perhaps that Adam might "live forever" in a fallen state. Man was a threat to GOD? What a wimpy little bling-bling pimpdaddy that God must be.
But if you cannot even accept that man's actions in the Garden represented a moral fall in his consciousness through his act of rebellion and subsequent awareness of sin (his nakedness), that this is what the Bible teaches whether right or wrong, I've got nothing more to say to you. But that's not what the Bible says. Try reading it sometime. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Now wait just a moment. You say
Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly....fowl that may fly above the earth..." This was prior to man's creation according to the Bible. So these flying animals were prehistoric since there would be no written history without man. but then go on into Genesis 2. In Genesis 2 man was created before and fowls. In Genesis 2 man gets created back around line 7 but the critters, including fowls don't get created until much later. It's stuff like this that has lead every single major Christian Chrurch to accept the TOE and oppose creationism. There is not a creation story in Genesis but rather at least two entirely different and mutually exclusive tales from two entirely different cultures and eras. If you are going to take these as consecutive tales then man gets created twice, once in Genesis 1 and then later in Genesis 2. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Man was created on the 6th day in one story or much earlier in the other story. Sorry but there most certainly are contradictions unless you want to hand wave them away.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar, there are no contradictions. Show them. But I have already done so. There are two entirely different tales from two entirely different eras and cultures. The order of creation, the methods of creation are entirely different.
Really, there is nothing in the stories to show a contradiction, and heck, one of the apparent contradictions, the creation of 2 sets of flying creatures, has been cleared up by scientific investigations. Really? Do tell. LOL In one tale man is created as one of the last acts. In the other, man is created early, only plants being created earlier. In one all animals are created after man, in the other, man is an afterthought. You're free to make up any tales you want but the Bible says there are two, mutually exclusive Creation tales. That's not just my interpretation but rather the interpretation of every mainstream Christian faith I know of.
Bishop Sims writes: But even here the distinction between religion and science is clear. In Genesis there is not one creation statement but two. They agree as to why and who, but are quite different as to how and when. The statements are set forth in tandem, chapter one of Genesis using one description of method and chapter two another. According to the first, humanity was created, male and female, after the creation of plants and animals. According to the second, man was created first, then the trees, the animals and finally the woman and not from the earth as in the first account, but from the rib of the man. Textual research shows that these two accounts are from two distinct eras, the first later in history, the second earlier. From his Pastoral letter found here. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are free to believe anything you want. If you are asking for my personal opinion on Southern Baptists and Pentacostals, I don't think you'd like the answer.
Even among denominations such as Anglicans, not all agree with your take or the take of the bishop you quoted. That's very true. One think about the Anglican Faith is that you don't have to check your brain at the door before entering, yet still, some do.
I would argue that most Christians globally accept the harmonious view of Genesis 1 and 2, and thus the "mainstream" agrees with me. I doubt that's true if they've ever read the book. There is simply no way to reconcile the two tales. But my experience seems to indicate that most people haven't read the damn book. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You're right my Queen. I will heed and obey.
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