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Teapots&unicorns
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Message 70 of 138 (513199)
06-26-2009 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Stile
06-26-2009 7:55 AM


Re: Responsibility of Honesty
To me, atheism isn't so much a choice, as it is a default position I am forced to accept after an honest exploration of the facts and my inner-self. It's not that I want to be an atheist, it's more that I have yet to find any convincing evidence to be anything else.
Same here. I believe that athiesm, though, can be divided into two parts: "hard" and "soft-core." "Hard core" athiests are strongly in denial of God and may even evangelize against religion. Dawkins is a prime example of this. On the other hand, "soft-core" athiests are, as you say, a more default position. Whereas the hard athiests deny the existance of any god(s), soft ones just don't accept any established religion, meaning that there may or may not be a god(s) that we don't know of (they don't care), as well as refusing to follow any religion simply because they claim to be perfect. As agnosticism is the default method, athiesm is the default position which is only filled through indoctrination or conversion. Or do babies come out of the womb thanking Jesus for life?

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
I'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in
- Dan Foutes
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has widely been considered as a bad move."
- Douglas Adams

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Teapots&unicorns
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Message 72 of 138 (513206)
06-26-2009 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Theodoric
06-26-2009 8:41 AM


Re: Responsibility of Honesty
Wrong. I can not deny something that does not exist. It is not a denial. It is an acknowledgment that the belief in a god means that reality would have to be different than it is. A belief in a god means the acceptance that magic must be an integral part of of existence.
Exactly. If you read my post a little further, I said that there are athiests that believe that the concept of God is both a) not possible in their worldview and b) not worth addressing, and so do not believe in any religion- entirely different from what you quoted.
I apologize if it seemed I was trying to group all athiests together. Rememer that I was attempting to name the groups that I saw in reality, rather than ascribe those attributes to any existing group.

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Teapots&unicorns
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Message 74 of 138 (513209)
06-26-2009 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Theodoric
06-26-2009 9:24 AM


Re: Responsibility of Honesty
I see your point. However, I was using "deny" in a different sense than the one you are interpreting it in. See: Thesaurus.com
You are thinking of denial as this:
I see you steal RADZ's lunch, but you deny it, saying that someone else might have taken it.
What I am saying is this:
RADZ's lunch is missing. I blame Bluejay and you deny it, i.e. refusing to believe or answer to my accusation, whether true or not.
In the first example, you are denying evidence in plain sight, as the lunch is obviously on your desk. In the second, I am making an unfounded accusation which you have no reason to believe, and thus simply disbelieve.

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Teapots&unicorns
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Message 77 of 138 (513224)
06-26-2009 12:48 PM
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06-26-2009 9:49 AM


Re: Responsibility of Honesty
I meant that Dawkins does go out and show people the facts; that's why I put him in that group. I wasn't trying to misrepresent him.

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