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PurpleYouko
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Message 41 of 149 (287674)
02-17-2006 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by iano
02-16-2006 6:10 AM


Re: I like this definition...
In that case one can be surer, now, of Gods existance than one is sure, now, that the sun will rise tomorrow. The latter is always a case of travelling the road of evidence, never arriving at the destination.
IOW one can know for sure that God exists, but one cannot know for sure that the sun will rise tomorrow.
You have such a way with logic Iano.
It utterly escapes me how totally ignoring the evidence can make one even surer about anything, yet the way you put it seems to just smooth over the cracks and make it almost reasonable to think that way.
I love reading your posts even if we do seem to be irrevocably on opposite sides of almost every fence.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 44 of 149 (288571)
02-20-2006 8:44 AM
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02-19-2006 7:15 PM


Re: I like this definition...
What evidence?
Which group of evidence?
Whatever evidence that Iano was talking about in his post. It was a rather general point.
I don't know what specific evidence for which specific thing that he was talking about.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 48 of 149 (289145)
02-21-2006 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by iano
02-21-2006 11:01 AM


Illusions
Very entertaining.
I don't see any evidence in any of the images though. They are specially designed to be ambiguous images or outright optical illusions.
You can't reach conclusions from optical illusions.
In most cases I can switch from one view to the other at will with no bias in either direction.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 50 of 149 (289166)
02-21-2006 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by iano
02-21-2006 12:52 PM


Re: Illusions
once the initial diagnosis is made, all the subsequent evidence goes to elaborate on the initial diagnosis. The more one investigates the more it all fits together
You must have a point because I disagree with you on this subject so in a way that actually reinforces your point, at least as far as your own method of reaching conclusions goes.
I don't work that way. To me, I see both possibilities as equally valid until a thorough examination of all the pixels in the picture reveals either one image or the other as the prevalent one.
In the case of optical illusions, it is easy enough to see through them.
Take the one with the blocks and the wavy (or is it parallel) lines. At first you can't tell so you devise a test. Put a straight edge ruler against the screen of your PC monitor and the truth becomes obvious. They are parallel.
In the case of the pictures which can be one thing or another, the chances of each being correct remain equal. The conlusion that I reach is that the pictures are equally valid either way because they were either designed that way or some fluke of chance made them that way.
Conclusion = There is no correct way to look at them.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 51 of 149 (289169)
02-21-2006 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by iano
02-21-2006 12:52 PM


Re: Illusions
So your assertion that I am ignoring the evidence can be bounced back at you s'all
Fine, except that I made no such assertion. You made it yourself. I was only echoing it.
Here is what you said.
I can understand that the evidence around would point to the existance of God. But that is simply evidence (compelling though it may be) One might travel the path of evidence and conclude there must be a God or one might travel the path and arrive at a destination. Finding that which left the evidence. If the latter, then the evidence is no longer central for one has found that which left it.
If you are travelling the path that leaves the evidence to reach your destination (conclusion) then you are ignoring the path of evidence.
Either that or you are talking some sort of double speak which makes no logical sense.

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