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Author Topic:   Is Genesis to be taken literally Part II
doctrbill
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Message 27 of 105 (187409)
02-22-2005 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by jjburklo
02-21-2005 4:42 PM


Bring a Knife to a Gunfight
jjburklo writes:
... the purpose of the tree is still unclear, ...
Is its exact function every mentioned in the Bible? No its not.
I don't know the purpose of the tree of life.
the purpose of the tree is still unclear, so
it shouldn't hold any relevance.
It's unclear either way
It is, apparently, unclear to you. But ...
Here's what I found with a quick search of scripture. Twelve verses talking about the Tree of Life.
Here are half a dozen of them:
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, ..." Gen 2:9
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ... " Gen 3:22
"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." Gen 3:24
Then, in the New Testament, anticipating a return to the Edenic estate:
"To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7
"... the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations." Rev 22:2
"Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, ..." Rev 22:14
Here's what a quick search turns up on the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Two whole verses:
"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." Gen 2:9
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17
It seems that the purpose of the Tree of Life is made a lot clearer in the scripture than is the purpose of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
This is a simple story.
Ask a simple question.
Get a simple answer.
If eating from the Tree of Knowledge gets you knowledge then ...
What do you get when you eat from the Tree of Life?
As the story has it, we would clearly live forever could we get our hands on that carefully guarded fruit.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 38 of 105 (196744)
04-04-2005 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Jor-el
02-23-2005 1:40 PM


Jor-el writes:
Now in my opinion a good rebuttal to my post can be found in post 34 by Arachnophilia.
Do you have a reply to that rebuttal? What are your thoughts on the matter? Please.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 40 of 105 (197150)
04-06-2005 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Jor-el
04-05-2005 4:28 PM


Deadly Garden
Jor-el writes:
the only reason that Adam and Eve didn't die like all the rest of the animals and plants is that they had to continue to to eat of the tree of life.
So the tree of life was inaccessible to other animals? To fruit eating insects? To bacteria?
Adam and Eve threatened with death, should they forget to eat the magical fruit?
And what about that fruit? Did it die? Fall and rot? Return to the dust from which it came?
Story Book World!

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doctrbill
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Message 45 of 105 (197302)
04-06-2005 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Jor-el
04-06-2005 3:38 PM


Re: Deadly Garden
Jo-rel writes:
What are your thoughts on the matter?
I believe it is an allegory. Some might say fairy tale and that's OK too because the function of a fairy tale is to teach and/or warn. The lesson is no less valid because of the medium. The warning is no less urgent because of the Story Book style of telling.
The characters and situations given are as unreal today as they were back when, but the lesson and the warning are eternal. Whether Holy Bible or Brothers Grimm, the story book style with its exciting, fantastic, and deadly serious themes has appealed to children from time immemorial.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 70 of 105 (197525)
04-07-2005 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
04-07-2005 2:25 PM


Re: Allow me to clarify....
Phatboy writes:
In the OT, (which was written by humans) when it says that God orders so and so to kill the whoeverites, the perspective is from an unenlightened Jew who honestly feels that they are hearing from God.
Are you suggesting that the New Testament was written by God (versus the OT which was written by men)?
Are you suggesting that Christians are enlightened (compared to Jews)?
It would be as if, say the Bible were written today, the words would say "God saw the sins of the Sadaamites,and said to the leader of the Americites to wipe out every man in the army of 100,000 and to occupy their land."
In reality, as far as we know today, God never told America to do that.
If, as St. Paul asserts, "Every government is set up by God." Then YES. God did send Americites to kill the Sadaamites.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 73 of 105 (197555)
04-07-2005 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Phat
04-07-2005 6:27 PM


Re: How often were the authors enlightened?
Phatboy writes:
the authors of the Bible were all inspired SOME of the time
Something tells me this view is not shared by our fundamentalist friends but I would have to agree. The esteemed scholars who have edited the Bible certainly preserved the better of what was available for inclusion. Imagine having our own erudite opinions quoted there one day. It's not out of the realm of possibility you know. But then some future smart ass translator could decide that we were not 'inspired.' Then our pearls of wisdom might be cast aside like so much 'apocrypha.'
db

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