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mark24
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Message 44 of 93 (359396)
10-27-2006 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PurpleTeddyBear
10-23-2006 1:30 AM


PurpleTeddyBear,
Hi mate!
What is a relationship with Jesus like?
How would anyone know? If they say they do know they are pissing in the wind. If he existed it was 2,000 years ago. You may as well ask what is a relationship with Julius Caesar like, you would at least have the advantage of having independent corroborating evidence of his existence to work with.
How can you possibly have a "relationship" with someone you have no evidence of, that even if he existed, lived 2,000 years ago. It's like asking what was it like to fuck Galileo. Well, not quite, almost certainly Galileo existed.
Is knowing Jesus anything more than a feeling - how so?
Just a feeling.
If you think any of the people trying to convince you that a relationship with Jesus is real wouldn't take exactly the opposite view had they have been born elsewhere, the middle-east for example, then you are as deluded as they.
I suspect that you aren't, however.
Is it the opinion of the faithful I block out these feelings, fail to acknowledge them or am unable to possess them?
Why can you know Jesus and not me?
If you hadn't worked it out already, I'm an evil baby eating athiest.
I ask only one thing of you, that you apply the same standards to all of your knowledge, or understand that if you can't do that, you are a hypocrite. I really mean no insult, after all I know not what position you really take on this, & assume that hypocrisy is as just as heinous an intellectual crime as I do.
But if you do, you can't have it both ways.
Why has Jesus allowed you to have a relationship with him and not me?
Perhaps you should have been born a Jew or a Muslim, strangly they have no such feeling about Jesus, but have similar about respective figures in their respective religions. Why do you think that is? What mentality allows this "personal" god when such religions are mutually exclusive? Surelely they can't all be right?
Clearly such relationships are delusional.
My daughter is 8 - she does not know Jesus. Jesus has never reached out to her - why not? My son is 12; he does not live with me. His mother took him 1,500 miles away from me. She is religious. My son he knows Jesus. Why does Jesus talk to my son not my daughter?
This has to be a rhetorical question? Your daughter never had her head flipped open in the same way your son did. Am I right?
One of the most disgusting & insidious aspects of religion is that it deliberatly targets children, who accept without question what adults tell them. Is this why there is a difference between your son & daughter?
You are wondering for, & looking for a relationship that doesn't exist. Why do you think that Muslim's, Hindu's, Jews etc. don't get a relationship with Jesus but do with their respective gods/deities/prophets? Why do you think that Christians don't get a personal relationship with other religous icons? Why do you think the opposite is equally true?
IT'S MAKE BELIEVE! They are indoctrinsated into a religion. Critical thinking is abhorrent. Any feeling they get is interpreted within their religious indoctrination.
What makes you think other religious "experiences" are wrong but the Christian one is right?
It is purely cultural.
You are obviously an intelligent questioning kind of bloke (from the UK here, soz). Take a step back & look at similar behaviour in other religions. Surely the fact that other religions ask the same, & in many cases actually exclaim the same personal relationships but with other deities or prophets should make it obvious that they can't all be true. Why would any be true?
Then take another step & realise that in every aspect of your life you require e-v-d-i-d-e-n-c-e before you reach a conclusion. Then ask yourself why your religion, if you really have one, should be exempt from this exceedingly good logic when everything else in your life is held to a logical & evidential standard?
All the best,
Mark
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