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Author Topic:   Where did God come from?
Rand Al'Thor
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Message 27 of 178 (73248)
12-16-2003 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by One_Charred_Wing
12-16-2003 12:31 AM


Re: Here we go again!
You fool! You deny BOBO lord of the earth! BOBO created the earth from a coconut and the evidence is clear but in your non-belief you will not see it. You shall perish in the land of jabberwocky! Your efforts to ignore BOBO are useless he will judge us all in the year 2260 and you shall see his Armpit hair and you will forever beg for his mercy!!!
[stupid mode off]
There is now as much evidence for BOBO as there is for any other God(s).

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 38 of 178 (73623)
12-17-2003 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by grace2u
12-16-2003 9:27 PM


Re: Here we go again!
1)The vast majority of the world agrees that God exists.
--No one in the universe is arguing whether or not BOBO exists.
So you’re saying that because most of the world believes in a god he must exist? Half the people in the world might believe that the moon is made of cheese but it doesn't that make it true. Hey it sounds good so it must be true, right?
2) The wonders of revealed theology.
Like witch burnings and crusades?
3) Millions of changed lives from Christ.
And we can’t forget the millions of lives taken in the name of christ as well.
4)rapid growth of Christianity amongst persecution and large differences in jewish culture.
Actually Islam is the fastest growing religion if I remember correctly.
5)Teachings of Christianty are solid and speak to the very core of ones being.
Well, of course we all love the many heart warming instances of rape, murder, infanticide, and slavery contained in the bible.
The requirments for a 100% scientific proof are unreasonable and should not be demanded.
I agree
I believe that the evidence is overwhelming in favor of Christianity...
Great! would you be so kind as to present some of this evidence to us?
Also the fact that people have morals and ideas of right and wrong is not proof of god.
EDIT: added some stuff
[This message has been edited by Rand Al'Thor, 12-17-2003]

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 46 of 178 (73913)
12-17-2003 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by grace2u
12-17-2003 6:08 PM


Why can't we get morality from ourselves? Why do we have to take the blind leap and say "because god gave it"? If what you are saying is true then everyone in the world would have to agree that murder or even rape is wrong. I am sorry to be the one to tell you this but many people view murder and rape as just things.
Also if morality and justice are from god then why isn't every single atheist on a murdering spree? Or why did christens see no harm in the murder of thousands during the crusades. And even more importantly why does god order murder and rape in the OT.
Our sense of justice and right and wrong come from experience not god. If you tell your kids that stealing is right and they don't get any punishment for doing so they will view stealing as a normal thing to do.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 55 of 178 (74177)
12-18-2003 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by grace2u
12-18-2003 12:57 PM


Re: Not much time so I'll respond to the simple ones first
Grace2u,
You still haven't explained why we need god for morals. Please in your next post address this.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 64 of 178 (74330)
12-19-2003 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by grace2u
12-19-2003 3:23 PM


Re: Not much time so I'll respond to the simple ones first
Some worship their own rational thought and self, even though there is an abundance of evidence suggesting a creator or some entity greater than themselves.
I have yet to see any evidence that suggests a greater entity. Please will someone provide some.
So perhaps the better way to state this is not that we need god for morals, rather the existance of "concpets of morality" within man demonstrate that a moral God must exist.
You are contradicting yourself. You say that morals don't have to come from god, but then you say that the fact that we have morals proves there is a god. You can only have one or the other not both.
I am NOT saying here that one should believe just because it's a nice happy concept, rather that the facts speak for themselves.
Facts? What facts?
Why embrace a broken system with such vigor and zeal(atheism or even agnosticism)? The beatuy and glory of Christ is far more intellectually challenging and edifying than any system of thought denying His existance or the existance of a God.
How is atheism or agnosticism a "broken" system? What is this intellectual challenge are you referring to? Like the profound concept of believing everything you’re told and not questioning what the bible says?

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 68 of 178 (74411)
12-20-2003 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Cold Foreign Object
12-20-2003 12:14 AM


Willowtree,
How about providing some evidence and suggests that the "urge" for god comes from god. You and Rrhain can argue about how cicular the argument is after some evidence is shown.

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