Satan and prayer

You see, we usually get told; "Look at all the bad in the world", and then, "why doesn't God act". Yet, the most overlooked cause of evil (according to the bible) - is satan.Now, he was a "murderer from the beginning".So, it's not that we dismiss what happens in the world, we see, oh yes. And we also "see" what evil is being done. For example, the recent horrors, IMHO, are attributable to evil. We fight a spiritual battle, and "sufficient to the day is the evil thereof". Now we know who isn't sorry, because there is evil everyday. Should you hit me and I say "forgiven" yet you say "I am not sorry" - where is the effect of remission? Have you not counted me a fool?Nevertheless, I have contemplated pitying satan, but since I am not God - what judgement of mine will count? Can I possibly contemplate the evil satan is responsible for? Oh - I forgot, it's God's fault according to the world, and satan escapes blame, yet in this topic - the world says "pity and pray" for the true guilty one.How is it that Christ suffering is discounted, example; "why couldn't he have ordered pizzas for our forgiveness", yet satan, doer of all evil atrocities (these atrocities pointed out daily as God's fault by some none-believers) - but satan, he is one who should be prayed for.Well, sorry - but at the moment I'm praying for innocent children who are presently being killed, so I might find time for satan some other day.

Hi Chris. Good to see ya again.Not that it's my business ofcourse, if you want to pray for him fair enough, I wouldn't have a judgement about that. Yet, I'd rather pray for his victims.

Hey come on Willowtree, isn't that a lil harsh?It's quite easy to pity/pray for someone. Afterall, we are all also of sin. It is only that by Christ we are forgiven. Even Christ says "those who visit me in prison etc.." Aren't some in prison murderers like satan?Therefore, it is possible for a goodly person to pitty even the most evil of people. Indeed, farbeit from foolishness, but rather - it is wisdom. For only a "kid" of goodly and friendly nature could pity the most evil. Being so innocent as to be ignorant of the nature of evil. I would have you not know much of evil, but rather good.There is no beast that knows but some touch of pity, but I have none, and therefore am no beast. I am worse - a man. And now, a plagiarizer.

May I request you read the rest?He makes peace, yes. - Oh if thou hadst only hearkened unto my commandments, then your peace would have been as a river.He creates evil, yes. -I shall visit evil upon you according to the fruit of your doings.So, your quote is over-used yet mis-understood. It's not a big deal like you guys make it out to be. Infact, many warnings are given to the wicked, through whom God can "use" another wicked. Example; Jeremiah's warning.If an evil came upon Job, yet it was satan who asked God to do this evil. If an event of natural comes upon you, I suppose that an "evil" might have came upon you. Now, what is the difference with your quote? Is it not what God has always said? Yet he shall not suffer the righteouss to be removed. --> Job was increased, and there couldn't be found an evil to be visited upon him, that could be justified. Therefore, all unjustifiable evil that comes upon us, - we now know it is of satan.Thankyou.

You pit rationality and science as the opposite. But I ask you now, if you were to love your enemy and neighbour completely, and everybody you know, also done this - aswell as the world, what problems would there be? Only a few left for science I would bet!To dismiss Christ's teachings of peace is silly. It motivates presently - a VAST number of people, to do peaceful acts.RATHER I would say, that praying has done us believers only good. We have prayed, yes - and received.So I am not against science, but the fact is that you tout past events and horrors upon us, of which we have not even bare witness with our eyes.Did you not know that governments and mafias are BOTH worldly interests? They pursue NOT the Kingdom of God. Now tell me - you do atleast know who the prince of this world is right? The same guy who offered Christ kingdoms OF the world.We are not being played. Do you count us as fools? Do not be so obtuse as to buy into religious steryotypes that play you like a fiddle~. A great and devilish veil is upon you Ifen . And we are not even disputing the physical/scientific truths to evils!This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-10-2004 01:34 PM

I suppose you can find contradictions if you want to. But a literal reading will ofcourse bring them. For example, the lamb of God - is it literally a lamb? Ofcourse not. But rather, when we use the bible for what it's meant for; Prophecies, and the necessity of a walk with God, and the spirit revealing the meanings thereof, then you'll find these contradictions are esteemed highly, by the quote minor, but not the wisdom seeker. Well, yes - good point. Only one is good, God.And I won't even dare mention this "church" as it is an alien to me. Yet I am also sinful. Well, we establish that evil is evidence of satan, but convincing you guys that 1. Evil exists, and 2. The owner of it does also, is a hard task. Science, I accept it. Rationality, I can also know about reality. Logic, I know many modus ponens.These are assumptions Ifen. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume that you think I am a creationismist.

I don't know the age, and am inclined to believe it is old like they say it is, but my opinion isn't knowledge-based, and therefore worth spit. Evolution? Ahhhh, now my answer to that will be pondered for centuries.