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jar
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Message 5 of 185 (417535)
08-21-2007 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by molbiogirl
08-21-2007 4:44 PM


Creating life is inevitable.
It really is just a matter of time. And the day is getting closer and closer.
Life-from-scratch is going to pose an ... interesting ... dilemma for creos. Not the least of which is "creating life from a buncha chemicals".
Only some creos. There are many of us who would simply say, "Oh, that's one way God might have done it. Let's see what other ways he might have done it? Then let's see if any of those actually seem to be what did happen?"
The issue of creating living things is only a problem for those who worship small, picayune goddlets.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 61 of 185 (418624)
08-29-2007 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by riVeRraT
08-29-2007 7:57 AM


Another false assertion
I will say it again, I was believing in evolution for 38 years, then I felt God. What am I supposed to think?
You're supposed to have enough critical thinking skills to realize that wasn't god, just a bad burrito.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 67 of 185 (418643)
08-29-2007 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by riVeRraT
08-29-2007 2:53 PM


Re: Another false assertion
You realize how you've just made yourself appear by saying that? What makes your idea of God, so much mightier than mine? You can go you know what.
It is irrelevant how I appear, the readers will make their own decisions on that, what we were discussing is the God you create and describe.
You said:
I will say it again, I was believing in evolution for 38 years, then I felt God. What am I supposed to think?
That implies that regardless of all the evidence, just because you get some feeling you attribute to the god you create, Evolution suddenly is wrong.
Yet when I have asked you "How do you know it is God?", you have NEVER been able to explain just what the mechanism is; how someone tells god from a bad burrito.
Further, since there is NOTHING in either Evolution or the Theory of Evolution that in anyway relates to whether there is a God or even whether or not God is the Creator, it is also either a really false statement or the god you are talking about is some little trickster out to con the rubes.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 87 of 185 (418799)
08-30-2007 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by riVeRraT
08-30-2007 10:45 AM


Re: Rrhain is wrong.
I'm sorry riVeRraT but the quotes you provided have nothing to do with cosmology.
The quote you provided says
"Creating protocells has the potential to shed new light on our place in the universe," Bedau said. "This will remove one of the few fundamental mysteries about creation in the universe and our role."
Notice it says "place in the universe" and "creation in the universe". Nothing there about creation of the universe. In fact, absolutely nothing related to cosmology.
Then you go on and claim that because they are not designing it they are not creating it. That is so silly. Next time your kids create a mess they can use the argument that since they did not design the mess they did not create it.
Sheesh.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 89 of 185 (418802)
08-30-2007 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by New Cat's Eye
08-30-2007 11:27 AM


Re: Rrhain is wrong.
Rat is saying that the kids didn't create the legos in the same way that the biologist didn't create the building blocks that they are making thier "mess" from.
If so, then that is a strawman since no one has claimed that they are creating the "Legos".
If that is what he is trying to say, then it is an even greater misrepresentation of what folk have said.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 92 of 185 (418806)
08-30-2007 11:49 AM
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08-30-2007 11:45 AM


Re: Rrhain is wrong.
I happen to agree with molbiogirl, she simply did a better job than I. However that was only part of my post anyway. The key point was that nowhere in the quote rat provided was cosmology implied or stated.
Maybe you should concentrate more on what people are trying to say rather than just looking for misrepresentations.
I cannot tell what people are "trying to say", I can only go by what "they do say."

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jar
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Message 96 of 185 (418819)
08-30-2007 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by New Cat's Eye
08-30-2007 12:33 PM


An important point.
With all the analogies and metphors that get tossed around, I don't believe that you read everyone's post literally.
Of course. I did not say that I read anyone or anything literally. However, all I have to base any interpretation on is what they say. I can then "Try to figure out what it is they are trying to say" but in the end it comes back to what they did and do say. I cannot know that my interpretation is correct unless they later say, "Yes, that is what I was trying to say."
What am I trying to say?
I'm not sure.
BUT...
the topic involves creating life from non-living things. That will certainly happen, likely in the not too distant future, perhaps within my lifetime.
In addition, the most likely means right this minute is not through design, but rather simply letting things evolve, by trying to mimic what seems to happen naturally.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 98 of 185 (418828)
08-30-2007 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by New Cat's Eye
08-30-2007 1:21 PM


Re: An important point.
Yes, but if your interpretations always come back as them misrepresenting, then maybe you should try again and look harder rather than just shouting:
MORE MISREPRESENTATIONS!
Which you seem to be doing a lot lately. That's why I think you're looking for it and seeing what you're looking for.
I'm just saying that you could be trying to read them better.
However if you will look, I believe you will find that I quote the passage and in many cases when I claim misrepresentation, that is exactly what it is.
If I can actually post quotes and show where misrepresentation is happening, it is not a matter of seeing what I am looking for but rather seeing what is actually there.
Sorry if you are feeling crabby.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 129 of 185 (419071)
08-31-2007 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by ringo
08-31-2007 5:20 PM


the difference
If you look close one will say hecho in vitro.

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