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Author Topic:   The Definition and Description of a "Transitional"
arachnophilia
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Message 25 of 110 (163991)
11-29-2004 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by mark24
07-23-2004 1:22 PM


Re: More?
For example, what are the defining characters of birds? It's not feathers...
this is some nice circular logic here, and it needs to be pointed out.
why are feathers not a defining characteristic of a bird? no other animal today has them. do reptiles have them? mammals? amphibians? fish? if you ask any biologist the single most defining feature of a bird what will they say?
now, according to you:
quote:
A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa.
for something to be partway between a bird and something else, wouldn't it have to feathers? why should that rule out feathers as a defining feature? it is, afterall, what we're looking for.
but you can't say it's not a defining characteristic of a bird because the transitional form that led up to birds also had feathers. that just makes no sense.

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Message 31 of 110 (164034)
11-29-2004 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Itachi Uchiha
11-29-2004 11:33 PM


Re: Question
Let me see if I got this. You're saying then that the transitional species has more information than the present one because it went from being able to live in both enviroments (land - water) to living in only one. Hmmm wasn't information supposed to increase. A cat can walk, jump, swim and climb just like the mudskipper. So i guess a cat is also in a transitional state.
i can probably take photograph and draw better than you can. do i have more information than you?
these terms are simply preposterious, you should know better.
and a cat can walk, jump, and climb BETTER than a mudskipper. but i bet a mudskipper can swim better than a cat.

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Message 53 of 110 (164251)
12-01-2004 1:55 AM
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11-30-2004 10:53 PM


Re: Question
the ability to draw better than me or the ability of me playing a musical instrument better than you (just an example. i do not know if youre a musician)is developed by practice and not by code in our dna. Anyone of us (assuming no one is disabled) can play an instrument,draw or become an athlete with a little dedication and practice.
ok. how about this one. i like cold weather. so not only can i do well in, say a puerto rican environment, maybe i can do well in an alaskan one as well, where as you might not enjoy freezing your behind off. do i have more information than you?
and before you say that's not a genetic difference, it is: my family is all from northern countries. i'm willing to get i have much thicker body hair than you do, among other differences.

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Message 54 of 110 (164252)
12-01-2004 1:57 AM
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11-30-2004 11:35 PM


Re: Trying to head back towards the topic...
I haven't heard a chimp at the local zoo talk in english or spanish to me
i used to be fluent in american sign language. i know of lots of chimps that use it to communicate.
[qs]and I see no fur on my body[qs] see my above post.

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Message 68 of 110 (165263)
12-04-2004 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Itachi Uchiha
12-04-2004 11:51 AM


Re: Question
The truth is that we adapt to our surroundings. If you get used to the cold you will not like the weather in my country the same way i dont like the cold. This has nothing to do with information
so you're saying that i am genetically no different than you?
see, i'm not what you would call genetically adapted for warm weather. my nose is structured to keep heat in, i have very pale skin, and thick body hair. i'm build large and stocky, because it keeps heat in.
now, i was born in florida. i've lived here my entire life. warm weather doesn't bother me. you and i live in the same climate, if you still live in puerto rico. and i bet we've been alive about the same amount of time.
now, stick us in canada in february, and see who adapts better.
i am do equally or slightly worse than you in one climate, and a lot better in another. since i've now ruled adapting to my surroundings, seeing as how i've never lived in a cold climate, and we're operating strictly on a genetic basis, do i have more information than you?
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