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berberry
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Message 5 of 90 (173085)
01-02-2005 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hangdawg13
01-02-2005 1:37 PM


Hangdawg13 writes:
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Now, if the majority of citizens of a nation or state or city or school district believe a certain thing to be immoral for whatever reason, what is to stop them from making that thing illegal or the teaching of that thing as moral illegal?
The constitution. You see, there's this thing called the "equal protection clause". It's found in Section 1 of the 14th amendment, which reads thus:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
What part of this are you having difficulty understanding?

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berberry
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Message 12 of 90 (173116)
01-02-2005 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hangdawg13
01-02-2005 4:55 PM


hangdoawg13 writes:
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So you would agree that this protects a highschool valedictorian's right to talk about Jesus in her speech, right?
I would agree with you that she has a right to talk about Jesus in her speech, and not just because of the 14th amendment. I seem to remember hearing of the incident you cite, but I never looked into it. In principle, I feel that the young lady has the right to speak of anything she chooses.
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I cannot see how this clause vindicates such action.
I never claimed that it did. I was responding to the following statement from you:
Now, if the majority of citizens of a nation or state or city or school district believe a certain thing to be immoral for whatever reason, what is to stop them from making that thing illegal or the teaching of that thing as moral illegal?
This is where we disagree. The majority does NOT have the right to impose its moral will on the minority. Ever.

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berberry
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Message 16 of 90 (173145)
01-02-2005 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hangdawg13
01-02-2005 6:51 PM


Hangdawg13 suffers memory lapse:
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I don't remember how my statement originally related to discrimination
Then why didn't you pay attention to yourself as you wrote it? Why didn't you read it when I quoted it, twice? Here it is yet again:
Now, if the majority of citizens of a nation or state or city or school district believe a certain thing to be immoral for whatever reason, what is to stop them from making that thing illegal or the teaching of that thing as moral illegal?
As I said, the constitution stops them. It's clear that you think it's okay for a community to make homosexuality illegal or the teaching of tolerance in schools illegal if that's what the community wants. You're wrong. The 14th amendment prevents the majority imposing its moral will on the minority.
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But if the majority of all Boy Scouts want to reject the minority of gay Scout leaders, they have every right to do so.
Indeed, so long as the Boy Scouts are a private organization not sponsored by any agency of the government. The government is NOT ALLOWED TO DISCRIMINATE. At all. Read section one of the fourteenth amendment again.

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