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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
The UN does not impose rule, over private affairs. It passes rule over legislation/factions, that impose restrictions with bias, or discrimination. A friend of mine was a Platoon Leader (2d Leiutenant) over in Bosnia. He was leading a patrol one day when he saw Serbs? (Not sure which faction)in a hotel on the other side of the river. They were clearing out other faction members (Croats maybe?) of the hotel, bringing them to the roof, then shooting them in the head. The bodies would then fall into the river. So the LT takes his squad to go across the river to stop the killings, with force if necessary. He is stopped at the bridge by a UN checkpoint. The UN guards wouldn't let him intervene because they (UN or US troops) were not being fired upon. The UN officer outranked the LT. That would seem to me like imposing rule into private affairs no? Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
I'd get him to post here if I knew where he was. I'm sure his account would be much more detailed.
I can't imagine what those orders to the guys running the UN post would be. My impression of why the UN is there is to stop exactly what was going on. However, the MFO (MultiNation Force & Observers) mision in the Sinai is, in fact, to observe and report. We are only authorized to use force for defense. So, I guess if a group of Egyptians were killing another group of Egyptians, we couldn't do anything about it. That never happened. But we did have a mass casualty accident outside of CP3C (Check Point 3 Charlie). I was the site medic (and site cook) for CP3D when the call came over that 20 Egyptians had fallen off of a Semi going 40mph (the semi hit some concrete barriers). I went over there and together with guys from 3C we triaged, treated the wounded, gave up most of our medical supplies (ponchos, neck braces, our only spineboard)giving them first aid. We left our secure compound to help out people in need. We had been briefed that if something like that were to occur, we could by all means leave our compounds and help. Back to Bosnia. I would THINK the entire point of why we were there was to stop ethnic cleansing? I'm not sure how that was accomplished in the circumstance I listed above. This message has been edited by Tal, 01-03-2005 03:49 AM Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
The UN never had authority over any American troops in Bosnia. I'll have to research and see if US troops directly fell under UN commanders, but the UN did have juristiction over parts that the US did not, as noted by my example. Ok, the UN did not have any US troops under its command. But the bridge issue was a territorial thing. That was not the US's sector to worry about, and by God the US troops aren't gonna cross our bridge. This message has been edited by Tal, 01-03-2005 04:33 AM This message has been edited by Tal, 01-03-2005 04:41 AM Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Just what do you think they had jurisdiction over? I'm hardly saying the UN has never made a mistake. However, might it not be possible that you have misunderstood just what happened? Territorial issue. I edited my post up there but too late. One of the Majors sitting next to me explained that it wasn't that the UN troops outranked or were in charge of the US troops, but that hotel on that side of the river was the UN's baby to worry about. That's why they didn't let the US patrol across the street. He also said the city of Sherbenitza was under Danish control and something similar happened. Melosavich and his cronies had trucks drive in to the supposedly safe haven, load up about 3,000 people, drive them out to the woods, then shoot them. The dutch just watched an emptry truck come, a full truck leave, an empty truck come....you get the idea. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
My bad holmes! I dunno where danish came from.
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
Ok, so you do not think the Feds should get involved, but why is it any better if it's done locally? Is it somehow less discriminatory if State or local governments ban gay marriage? In order for a ban to happen gay marriage would have to have been legal in the first place. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
My understanding is that profiling is actually somewhat effective. The problem is that the current uses of it as being discussed by the right are outrageously simplistic as if a single category like race or religious affiliation were sufficient or even the most significant predictor. /agree I'd like to point out here El Al's nearly spotless record . They profile. They know exactly who the potential threat is. I also saw an intersting post on 1VB's boards (veterans group)that had a laundry list of terror attacks, and all of them were committed by Arab/mulsim males between the ages of 18-35. I would personally like to see a wee bit more profiling in the military. Johny Baldiwn changes his name to Asan Ackbar. That should raise some flags. Asan Ackbar is the fellow that rolled some frags into the 101st command tent. Mr. Ackbar now sleeps about 100 meters from my house on Fort Knox. And then there's Cpl. Wassef Ali Hassoun. I don't know what the Marine's were thinking when they didn't charge him with desertion the first time. But, now he's gone, probably back to his family in Jordan. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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Tal Member (Idle past 5707 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: |
They are red skinned pigmys from a pacific island.
Common sense test = failed. Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8 No webpage found at provided URL: www.1st-vets.us
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