The 2016 United States Presidential Election

I hadn't heard about Trump's challenge to the recount, but I have been hearing here and there how the recount is just a stalling tactic to get the electoral vote put off, or something like that. Also something about how Stein met the cost of a recount but not the requirement to show the likelihood of fraud. What is the legal point he's challenging it on?It also isn't Trump who is making the claims about fraud that I've posted about, unless perhaps he's mentioned them in some speech or other. Those are independent investigations as I understand it.

When Harris says "they" were "holding back" the results, isn't she talking about the mainstream media, who would of course be Democrats? Waiting for the Democrats where the votes were being counted to decide how many they needed to pad the results. I don't know anything about Gregg Phillips, including that he's supposedly a "Jesus Freak," and I've been frustrated in my searches for a discussion of his findings about the election beyond the tweet everybody talks about. I hope that both he and Bev Harris will eventually give us more substantial evidence for their claims. Meanwhile, as I said, I trust their initial observations as honest, while waiting for a more exact count.I am certainly not likely to take seriously anything anyone at EvC says about a supposed "corrupt right-winger", of course. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The comparison between the Jews in Germany and the Muslim refugees here is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. The Jews were citizens for starters, not refugees beinhg considered for admission to the country. The stories about the Jews were all made up, the refugees are known to be members of a religious ideology that happens to like killing people who don't believe as they do. And nobody is calling the refugees "the source of" any problems.: You guys are going out of your way to make up nonexistent connections.I guess nobody here keeps up with the "alternative" media. The MSM isn't interested in telling you anything about the displacement of citizens by Muslim refugees, since that would be "racist" or "Islamophobic" or politically incorrect, period. The reports on what's going on in Europe, including the Italian hotel owner, are easily googled. I got a whole page about it. There's video of an old man fighting with the police.

Woohoo, what a bunch of assertions without evidence, pure leftist propaganda. Wow. If there's sany truth to any of it, you really need to supply the evidence. Meanwhile there;s a video of an old man trying to keep POLICE, yes, POLICE, out of his building.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not aware of that website.

The "fake news" ploy is mostly a recent propaganda attack on the alternative media. The claims of fake news ARE the fake news and speaking of fake news the MSM's prognostications about the election were likely trumped up to discourage Trump voters, which is a form of fake news, only they managed to fake out themselves instead of the Trump supporters. There's some on both sides of course, but the propaganda is aimed against the right wing. As a matter of fact how would you know if a supposed right wing story wasn't a left wing plant anyway? That silly picture of the Obamas sounds like that sort of thing. But this current "fake news" line is certainly just propaganda and should be ignored.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I have never said anything against LEGAL immigrants or refugees.You guys can't say anything without insinuating racism or some other PC category, can you? It's got to be ad hominem, you can't treat opponents with respect. Boy have you been taught well. Is it possible to find fault with the Black Lives Matter protests just because they are violent, illegal, and trumped up by Leftists like Soros? Obviously not, any objections MUST be racist. That way you can shut up legitimate objections. And you don't even know you are just falling for tactics designed to produce destructive movements, vilify and blame people who don't deserve it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No, that doesn't make sense. Local media and other witnesses will have be present for the announcement. The mainstream media could 'hold back the results' but they'd be scooped by everybody else so...Once the count is official, it's official. It's in the public record. What the media say about it is immaterial as far as this is concerned. They are just private citizens expressing views and information in line with their company's policies. I know, that's why I provided a link for you.

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When Deputy Health and Human Services Commissioner Gregg Phillips and private consultant Chris Britton helped write the $1 billion legislation to privatize Texas' human services system, they apparently did so partly with an eye on profit their own.

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Britton's company joined with one founded by Phillips to get a $670,000 state contract in January 2004 from the Workforce Commission, a state agency run by Temple, one of Phillips' longtime friends.
Phillips once headed the human services system in Mississippi, where legislators criticized him for giving a major state contract to a company, then going to work for the firm. In Texas, Phillips played a role in a major state contract going to another former employer in 2003.
Phillips also apparently helped a business partner, Paige Harkins, get work advising companies on how to win Texas human services privatization contracts that he could influence. On at least one occasion, records indicate Harkins set up a meeting between Phillips and potential state vendors.
Britton's consulting company explored bidding on state contracts that were mandated by legislation primarily drafted by himself and Phillips during the 2003 Legislature.
"The bottom line is the assistants or deputies oftentimes make multimillion-dollar decisions about the allocation of state resources, and they should be covered by laws that prohibit them from profiting from making those decisions," said ethics-reform advocate Tom "Smitty" Smith of Public Citizen.

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But Phillips left as the head of the Mississippi Department of Human Services in 1995 under fire from the Legislature for his management of the state welfare programs. Lawmakers later that year accused him of ethics violations.

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As human services director, Phillips had given an $875,000 state contract to a company that he went to work for when he left state government.

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"Mr. Phillips' actions create the appearance of impropriety, facilitating an erosion of the public trust," said the Mississippi Joint Committee on Performance Evaluation and Expenditure Review

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Here is his LinkedIn page: Gregg PhillipsSome highlights:

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Chairman
AutoGov Inc.
September 2004 — Present (12 years 4 months)

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Executive Deputy Commissioner
TX Health and Human Services Commission
March 2003 — August 2004 (1 year 6 months)

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Senior Manager
Deloitte Consulting
July 1997 — July 2001 (4 years 1 month)

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Executive Director
Mississippi Republican Party
May 1995 — November 1996 (1 year 7 months)

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Finance Director
Alabama Republican Party
January 1989 — January 1991 (2 years 1 month)

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Winning Our Future Super PAC
Managing Director

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Supposedly? I did provide you with a link to his own testimony:

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Yes. I am a Jesus freak. He is the way, the truth and the life. -- Gregg Phillips

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You and millions of others. All you will find are promises to release his data and methods at some future time. His reputation doesn't exactly suggest he trustworthy. He claims to have completed an analysis nobody believes is possible based on available data and he will happily publish his conclusions but stridently avoids showing his work towards those conclusions so nobody can verify. This is so grotesquely irresponsible that it is in itself evidence against the character of the man and should be a warning flag to avoid trusting his baseless assertions.

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When did a tweet become news? I’m just like a guy. I’m an ordinary guy. There are billions of tweets every single day and because somebody picked it up, made something of something I wrote, all of a sudden the president-elect is talking about me? No he’s not referring to me. He’s not referring to our information. He’s not referring to our analysis. He was referring to a Washington Post story from 2014 and, the idea all of a sudden a tweet is news — it’s not news, I mean, I didn’t testify in court.

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Seriously, is a tweet really news? Isn’t everything on Twitter fake?
--Gregg Phillips

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source -- and to verify that this quote is legitimate: Here is Phillips reposting it, without complaining about a misquote, and another. In the case of Bev, I happily concur regarding the potential, or actual problems in electronic voting machines - and that these vulnerabilities are probably being exploited by somebody, or everybody. But she has not provided any evidence that the Democrats are substantially more guilty than anyone else. I would suggest that she once used liberal outrage to publicize her work and try to achieve her activist goals, now she is using right-wing outrage to the same ends.Phillips? He just said something. Nobody has any reason to believe his word. He has not backed it up in any way. We don't need *more* substantial evidence, we need *some*.

Sounds like tactics straight out of "rules for radicals."Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia

For criminal activity that he thinks can be proved? What? No, it's Obama, not so much he himself but those who are behind him; and Hillary if she had won. Oh, Lyndon Johnson if he'd been in the right circumstances, and maybe even George Bush.ABE: By the way, the Left is provoking all the violence in the country. What if they could provoke it to the point that drastic action did have to be taken such as martial law? That would mean Trump having to do it, right? Do you guys ever think about how the Left fakes stuff? Anyway, Trump is no Hitler, he's a genuine freedom-loving American patriot who really wants to bring the nation back to prosperity and protect us from enemies. Real enemies. He has no hatred for Muslims, he just wants to be sure we aren't going to be subjected to more jihad. Which is hard to do in the teeth of Leftist propaganda that refuses to see any danger and has to vilify anybody who does. /abeBut I go back to the fact that your concern about the "military presence" being intended to get us "used to it" implies that somebody has that objective in furthering that presence. You claim you weren't thinking of right or left but now you are specifically pointing to Trump, which was your obvious idea in the first place, which is why I took it that way. How could it possibly be Trump or the Right when it occurred under Obama and Trump wasn't even in the picture?There is something SO wrong with leftist thinking it is beyond my ability to figure it out.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, like Rules for Radicals.

I do not trust ANYTHING you can drum up about Gregg Phillips. I refuse to get into the ad hominems here. All I care about is whether he can eventually justify his claim that he found three million noncitizen voters on the rolls. I can see why it would take time to verify all that, I just hope he will do it.

Why not? I haven't lied or mislead you before. If a local Texas newspaper's investigation or the opinion of the Mississippi Joint Committee on Performance Evaluation and Expenditure Review, the public record and his own words are insufficient can I ask you a question?Why do YOU believe HIM (who is a perfect stranger in your eyes) on HIS word alone, but you dismiss ME (someone who has always endeavoured to treat you charitably and fairly, despite it not always being reciprocated) when I provide numerous sources and links for you to investigate for yourself? I'm afraid when all we have is a man's word, his character and trustworthiness is all we can discuss. And until then, stop spreading unsubstantiated rumours from people with questionable ethical histories! As I said, he should not have announced a conclusion of this nature UNTIL he had verified it
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He should have released his data and methods so that his conclusion could be independently verified.He has chosen to make claims but then not release his evidence until after verification at some undisclosed time. This is the most obviously unethical way around of doing it.Why do you trust someone who has proven to be irresponsible? Who has stated (and verified he stated) "Seriously, is a tweet really news? Isn’t everything on Twitter fake?"If I found a Twitter account from someone and I said I didn't know who they were but they said 'Trump paid Russian hackers to steal the election, evidence to follow, in a few months, maybe' and you found out from Alex Jones that that person had been a President and Financial Controller of a local DNC, had a government job where he took away people's guns, spread Islam in High Schools, set up death panels in the hospitals, stole money to give to the cultural Marxists and Jesuits, if he had been the MD of a Democrat Super PAC and whose Twitter feed had been in support of Hillary for President for the last 12 months....would you give it ANY weight of consideration? Or would you dismiss it as obviously Democrat stooges lies?Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

So, how likely do you think that is? I wonder if I can tempt you into another bet.

It would have happened by now, but fortunately the necessary circumstances didn't arise, so there's nothing to bet about.I think in the end the American system does work, and potential tyrants really are prevented from doing dangerous things they might do under a different system. If the Left keeps at it, though, they may prove me wrong.