How can we regulate guns ... ?

Hi RAZD, What is the difference in death by automobile and death by gun?The victim of one is just as dead as the victim of the other.But how many of those murders were committed with guns by law abiding citizens?Do you actually believe that the crooks are going to limit their magazines to 10 rounds of amunition?Do you actually believe that any of the crooks are going to obey any of the executive orders of our president?Do you actually believe any of the crooks are going to turn in any of their assault rifles?If you believe any of those I got some nice high dry land I would like to sell you. How do you propose to get the crooks to comply with your fantasy?Laws do not deter crooks from doing what they want to do.If you will do a little checking you will find that most of the murders are drug related crimes.God Bless,

Hi RAZD, Why do you assume anyone that wants a gun that will match the guns the crooks have would be depraved?I would say that person was a very smart person.A depraved person is one who does not respect themselves or anyone else or their property believing in the power they have to decide what is right and what is wrong. If they don't think it is wrong they have no problem with doing it. Whatever it might be.God Bless,

Hi ramoss, I already have a Ruger 44 magnum revolver for that purpose.Besides my house would be a little crowded with my van in it and the van would be hard to maneuver inside the house I would not be able to get it down the hallway.So your suggestion is kinda stupid isn't it?God Bless,

Hi RAZD, Just as soon as you change the constitution. But not until. I don't know where you get the idea that the second amendment is for the protection of the people having single shot weapons to hunt and target practice with.The second amendment was placed in the constitution because the colonies had problems with the British troops and they were determined that the newly formed government would not have the power to infringe the right of the people to keep and bear Arms. And how do you propose to get the crooks to lay down their assault rifles and how do you propose to keep weapons out of the hands of people who are determined to commit mass murder?Neither are going to obey any laws passed by the government.The only people who obey laws are law abiding citizens and they are the ones who would be punished.There is no deterent to crime today. The inmates have it a lot better than 49% of the citizens do.God Bless,

You are familiar with the meaning of the word "Amendment" aren't you?

Seems reasonable. What's more, a program like this would be even easier to implement if it were to be placed on a state ID card, perhaps on the back, as a little blurb declaring the person's right to yadda yadda.It could be renewed with the same frequency as state IDs.Competency for each gun would be silly and impractical. That is like showing competency to drive a car or a pickup truck and then getting it stipulated on your license that you are permitted to drive only one or the other.The FBI has no business in the matter, obviously.ABE: But all this aside, you still need to demonstrate the effectiveness of such a program. Would it accomplish anything?Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

Hi Heathen, Sure I am, that is the reason I made the statement I did.With a 2/3's majority in the house and senate they can present an amendment to the States for ratification. If 3/4's of the states ratifies the amendment it will pass if not it will not become law.Even a majority of the States can not amend the constitution. At present it only takes 14 States to block any amendment to the constitution.But 39 States could disolve the present government and institute a new government, by the State legislatures voting to do so in a constitutional convention.God Bless,

ICANT writes: Yes. So let's all stop using automobile statistics and regulations and licensing in this discussion - they are simply off topic.

Hi Jon, Why do those things sound reasonable to you?They have always been the first step to disarming the citizens.Here is a nice little documentary you might want to view before you start saying those things are reasonable.http://libertycrier.com/...-true-history-of-gun-confiscation This is right at an hour long but is very informative right up to the present day.RAZD and others in this thread are proposing the exact same things that was put into pratice by Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot before they slaughtered millions of people in their countries.The Chinese cultural revolution caused the death of 30 million people (according to the current Chinese government), but many died of hunger. As food was withheld from them.Stalin is held responsible for the death of millions by Ukrainians, but "only" half a million people were killed by his order. He starved the rest to death, while he exported foods and the grain bins were full.You say things like that could not happen in the US.It already has during the years of slavery as weapons were confiscatred from the black people and they could not defend themselves.Indians were slaughtered by the hundreds by the United States government. Their weapons were not comparable with the US soldiers in the beginning but they acquired better weapons and put up a pretty good fight. But being out powered, and out manned they were pushed onto reservations where they became slaves of the government as they had to depend on the government for food and supplies. Many live in gettos today that is furnished by our government.During world war II many American citizens of Japanese descent were locked up in camps. So yes our government is capable of doing drastic things when they are afraid of the people.God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : Had to correct link

Hi xong, But the fact remains if cars were non existant we would save over 37,000 lives per year.But I have no problem dropping cars if you have no problem dropping rifles of which assault rifles are a part of which only killed 358 people in 2010.God Bless,

Jon writes: The FOID wouldn't need a picture ID if it has a Firing PIN. Appearances can change over the years. Photo IDs can be forged. A 6 digit PIN may also be decoded by criminals someday, but now they are pretty good. Perhaps fingerprints can be stored on the card to compare against the buyer's fingerprint. The seller never sees the fingerprint or Firing PIN, so privacy is maintained. What about a semi-tractor trailer truck? Could that be analogous to buying a weapon capable of discharging 30 rounds in 10 seconds?How often should it be renewed, if not every year? Supposing the card holder eventually gets Alzheimer's? Why do you say this? Someone has to keep the database to do the background check for a new applicant. Someone has to keep a list of purchases by owner to query when a gun is used in a crime. Would the ATF be a better choice?Who should maintain the database? I have proposed that the NRA do it. The FBI and the Bureau of ATF are probably unacceptable to the gun owner community today. The FOID has the effect of closing the "under-the-table" loophole at Gun Shows. It can also be used at Gun Shops. Presumably this puts a responsibility upon the seller and buyer to not let the gun fall into criminal hands.If it did fall into "bad guy" hands, then fines could be levied against the owner or even the seller in some cases. Possession of a weapon that was not properly purchased via a FOID would be a criminal act subject to arrest. A weapon that could not be found in the database would be a criminal offense subject to arrest, since criminals would quickly create a black market for untraceable guns.This still does not address Sandy Hook, since the mother would have obtained all those weapons with her FOID legally and he still would stolen them, killed her and then the massacre at the school. To stop that, we would have needed to have a psychological review on the mother that would have denied her the FOID. Perhaps she was defending herself and her child by training against some imagined attack from the turdball father someday - which is not that out of the realm of possibility. I can't see how that would be able to work today without a major invasive psychological profiling of everyone. So sadly, I don't think Sandy Hooks can be prevented without early intervention on the deranged shooters at the earliest ages possible - an impossible task.So then that leaves us with restricting certain kinds of weapons and magazines - also an impossible task, since it is easily perceived as an infringement forbidden by the 2nd Amendment.Edited by xongsmith, : to have not

ICANT replies: The subject of this thread is "How can we regulate guns ... ?". We cannot drop ANY gun since this is about all guns. All guns are ON TOPIC.

No. To stop that we need something other than gun regulations. You don't need a database to perform a background check.The rest of your silliness can be addressed by pointing out that even regular IDs require renewal to remain valid.In Minnesota, I must get a new driver's license every four years.Jon

Or the Supreme Court interprets it differently, perhaps more in line with past interpretations, as has been pointed out by others. I don't, what I said is that there is no protected "right" to hunt, and thus the ability\behavior to hunt can be regulated by towns, counties, states, and the nation.Those regulations can specify what types of weapons may be used for hunting, as they already do for bow season and for black powder season.Recent polls suggest, and actual hunters I have talked to agree, with restrictions against semi-automatic guns and clip\magazine loading, and many are in favor of it. Make the ammunition and the ammunition delivery systems illegal to own or posses and unavailable in stores, and those empty guns won't help them. Attrition will remove them as they break or are lost or thrown away.It has been done in other countries, so it can be done here ... if it is the will of the people.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : will

Or just serves as an official alternate State photo ID when such are necessary, as for some voting laws for instance (which Republicans are trying to implement in so many states). Of course it would need to have the same personal information as the ID card requirements included. Or the state hunting licenses. Some central registry is necessary to ensure nobody is trying to defraud the system (ie - similar to republican claims about voter fraud in registrations)One of the purposes is to track those guns responsible for crimes, and that is certainly within the FBI jurisdiction, but the ATF would be another possibility, or Homeland Insecurity ... Competency to drive a car or pickup is not the same as competency to drive and 18 wheeler and thus those need different licenses.Enjoy.