How does Complexity demonstrate Design

That's your assertion... you need to show evidence for your premise. Don't forget.

I'm sorry, honestly. But I can't see what you are talking about. That's why I need you to show me what exactly is wrong with my posts. Thank you.

Unbelievable... you are still the same... full of demagogy.I wasn't talking about abiogenesis, but I've given an example of a proof and applied it to "accident" and "information - DNA code or cell". Sorry man ... but good try.

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Demagogy is generally a method of convincing a listener of a false fact by appealing to the person's common sense and logic. In this sense, demagogy is not a lie, since it doesn't use false facts directly, but rather brings the unsuspicious listener to draw the appropriate conclusion himself. Demagogy is closely related to the logical fallacy, but unlike the latter, it sometimes has nothing to do with logic.

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And I won't let you go offtopic. Even if word 'demagogy' doesn't exist I'm not going to discuss anything about Pasteur-abiogenesis' as it is offtopic. As said, it doesn't matter IT WAS AN EXAMPLE, IT COULD BE WHATEVER ELSE EXPERIMENT, the important thing was> Is it a proof or not?It was not an example against abiogenesis but against spontaneous generation, by the way. You are typical ignorant. Read an answer above.And if you want to be ingorant again and again I'm not going to discuss with you anything.This message has been edited by yxifix, 08-15-2004 02:17 PM

FUNNY MAN,before I'll reply you have to answer to everything including this one:"Every human lives because of oxygen which is needed to stay him alive" ... is this a fact?

as for point 4.... read message 225 once again please.as for point 5 .... you have to show how it is linked with the theme we are talking about... I would answer you quite easily but I'm not going to let you change it's direction. Remember this.This message has been edited by yxifix, 08-15-2004 01:37 PM

Oh, by the way,as for points 1, 2, 3I'm not talking about if spontaneous generation is or isn't abiogenesis.I'm asking if it is a proof that spontaneous generation is not possible... Again. Is it a proof? Is it a fact?I don't care about abiogenesis. It was an example.So you can completely rewrite your points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Thanks.This message has been edited by yxifix, 08-15-2004 01:53 PM

Please stop this... msg 225 is an example you have no right to talk like this to me. OK, mark. According to your words there is not a proof that a black color is a black.We can stop our discussion right here. Well... I have registered here at this forum just because of discussion about a proof against evolution. That's all what I tried - to show a proof. But I see, that, in fact, there is no proof in your world.I won't start another thread, I have no need. Bye.

Yes I understand pretty well, how DNA code can be created (yes, this is what we are talking about, not how it works). ... you are saying it can "arise" ...so don't talk unimportant stuff... and give me evidence for your premise. I am very very interested.Now we are not talking about abiogenesis but about evolution itself, man, so think before replying.

OK, so you think a spontaneous generation is possible.
Than you also think that it is possible there is a human in the world who doesn't need oxygen to stay alive.And that means you are saying evolution is just your assertion you have no evidence for, nothing more. That means it is the same belief as a belief in God. What a paradox ! OH MAN ! You've just stuck in your own words as mark24 did... You are funny.(do you remember 20+20=40 from discussion with mark24? Don't forget)Thanks for a discussion. I have no need to talk with you anymore. You have just shown to everybody what kind of person you really are.

Sorry man, hopeless attempt.You are also using stuff you have never seen to "prove" evolution is correct so clearly: A=B=C ....that means I'm talking about A, you are talking about B and C is -> assertion without evidence, no proofs (in your and mark24's terminology). Or you can apply "20+20=40" example mentioned before, doesn't matter really.So again - according to your words Evolution is just an assertion without evidencese.So now it is just a question of belief really (nothing more) for you and mark24 (the others to come)... God or evolution (both the same - only different way of life)... doesn't matter for you both.Sorry you hear the truth, so my last post stands of course.

Of course, I have shown an evidence !Most important posts:
Origin of Life 425
Origin of Life 428
message 226If it is not a proof, please show me an example what is a proof. Thank you.But you should read more of these two discussions.

No. I'm not. Again, you are saying (20+20) ...I'm saying 40. As mentioned you did. If Pasteur's discovery is not a proof, than you are saying evolution is just an assertion, nothing more. Sorry man, the truth hurts sometimes, doesn't it? In fact, you don't know nothing really. Everything is just your assertion.
Sorry again, as I said, I know proved truth is difficult to accept for you. But you have no other choice. You should start to think about yourself from now on.

Believe me, it is not important... we can call it just information. But nevermind:

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DNA - Deoxyribonucleic acid is the long molecule that holds our instructions. Two strands of DNA are twisted together into the double helix. The base-pairs between A and T and between C and G hold the two strands together. DNA is usually packaged into chromosomes. And it is the base pairs that do the important job of being the instructions. (It is information with meaning as you will read later!)
But the DNA isn't spread out like a ladder. It's tightly packaged into bundles, surrounded by protein to protect it. If we look at DNA under a microscope, we can see these bundles of protein and DNA, arranged in strips called chromosomes. The number of chromosomes in a cell depends on what species of animal it is from. Humans have 46 chromosomes (23 pairs), .
DNA is a code. It is written in only four 'letters', called A, C, T and G. The meaning of this code lies in the sequence of the letters A, T, C and G in the same way that the meaning of a word lies in the sequence of alphabet letters. Different languages use different alphabets to convey meaning. (Understand this?!!! Intelligence needed! What a shame for your theory, isn't it?)

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Protein - A molecule made up from amino acid building blocks, the order of which is coded in DNA. The order of amino acids is different for different proteins — the sequence determines properties of the protein. Major proteins are keratin which makes hair and nails, actin and myosin which make muscle, globin which carries oxygen and makes blood red, and antibodies which protect us from disease.

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Amino acids - The building blocks of proteins. There are 20 naturally occuring amino acids. Different proteins have different numbers of amino acids in different orders. The order of amino acids is written in the DNA code.

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The DNA codes for protein. In our cells, proteins are the labourforce. It is proteins that get everything done. Proteins make new cells and destroy old or diseased ones. Proteins break down our food to release energy. Proteins organise the transport of useful chemicals between cells. Often, these useful chemicals are themselves proteins. As well as doing things, proteins are the building blocks for most of the body.

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The ingredients of a protein are amino acids. To build a protein we need to build a long chain of amino acids. There are 20 different types of amino acids, so there are lots of different protein chains we can build.

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Biologists give amino acids a code letter, as for DNA. This is much easier than writing out the whole name each time. For example, M is methionine, L is leucine, F is phenylalanine.

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DNA code - is the set of instructions to build an organism. Much of the code is written in 'words' of three letters (such as ATG, CCG, TAA and so on) in DNA. This code must be 'translated' by the cell into the building blocks of proteins. Other parts of the code are 'switches' to turn genes on or off, up or down. The DNA code uses these groups of three 'letters' to make meaning. Most groups of three 'letters' codes for an amino acid. Each of these sequence of three DNA letters is called a DNA triplet, or codon - it specifies one building block of a protein. Some of the 64 codons don't code for any of the amino acids. Instead they provide the grammar of the DNA sequence. For instance, the codon TAA means 'full stop' or 'stop here'. Full stops are essential for when the cell is making protein from the DNA code , otherwise the cell wouldn't know where to stop.

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Gene - Each DNA sequence that can be used by your cells to make a protein is called a gene. At the beginning of a gene, there are some codons that mean 'start making your protein here' and at the end of a gene, there are codons that mean 'stop making your protein here', or 'full stop'. Genes have different characteristics. For instance, 'a gene for eye colour'. It means it that this is the gene that codes for the protein that is the pigment in the iris of each of our eyes. Some genes come in different versions. Some people have a gene that codes for a protein that makes their eyes look blue while other people have a gene that makes a protein that makes their eyes look brown. But not all of the DNA sequence in our genome is used to make protein (perhaps less than 10%). There is a lot of DNA that is never used to make protein : we know what some of this DNA does, but not all. The bits of DNA we don't understand are often called 'junk DNA'.

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Genome - One copy of all the DNA in a cell of an organism. Our genome is 3,000,000,000 base-pairs, packaged into 23 pairs of chromsomes: bacteria may have only 1,500,000 base-pairs in one chromosome.

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Mutation - Sometimes, one of the DNA letters is accidentally swapped for another letter. For example the codon GCT might be changed into GCA. This mutation might have a very serious effect, or it might have no effect at all. There are other types of mutations as well. Sometimes, a bit of the DNA sequence is missed out by mistake, or a new bit added in. Sometimes, parts of the sequence are swapped over, even between different chromosomes. Each of our genes is a copy from either our mum or our dad. If there is a mutation in one of these genes, this will be passed on from parent to child along with the rest of the gene (Do you understand what does this mean?). This is why diseases often run in families.

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I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY NOW.Or should I start also with RNA?So now I'll repeat my sentence once again: Yes I understand pretty well, how DNA code can be created (yes, this is what we are talking about, not how it works) Yes sure, creation of DNA is surely (must be) a part of evolution itself. clear proof (evidence) - message 226.
If it is not a proof, please show me an example of a proof. Thank you. Oh man... stop talking like this, or you will end up like mark24....So if my proof isn't a proof for you LETS PLAY ! ....you can start to explain how the information arised - eg DNA code... go on!

Sorry, I have no time at the moment... I'll answer as soon as possible.Until then please learn more about mRNA, tRNA and rRNA. You'll need to have another solution in reserve.