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Author Topic:   How does Complexity demonstrate Design
Reina
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Message 168 of 321 (119063)
06-26-2004 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by John Paul
06-10-2004 2:50 PM


Re: It is not just "complex"
Right ON!
Many rocks are complex, without being orderly. Crystals are orderly, but not so complex.
Nevertheless, even in a lack of obvious complexity or order, even the atoms and molecules are extremely orderly in their "building-block" unity, and also meet the "complexity" issue, to a moderate degree.
When we start looking at the simplest living cell, and the necessity of the astounding complexity and orderly information in the DNA, which is absolutely necessary for the replication of said cell, the thing goes beyond ridiculous, to think that this all "just came about" on its own.
The bit about a television or radio pointing to a God, is not quite on track -- rather, these things could never come to be without "A Designer". That designer, obviously, was human.
But, how did LIFE come about, with all its awesome complexities (far more than an appliance, yet also with the ability to repair itself AND reproduce, which no appliance can ever do)?
If it were at all likely that life could come about without a Creator, why do we not see continuous examples of "spontaneous generation" all about us?
If this were true, why was it such a great discovery when Pasteur proved that maggots do not grow directly from rotting meat? Why was this a "discovery" at all, if "spontaneous generation" can, indeed, occur?
If we are going to call this "science", then we need to remain by the Rules of Science: it must be observable, it must be repeatable, it must be predictable.
To date, we have NO scientific data to support:
(1) order growing out of disorder (Second Law of Thermodynamics);
(2) matter coming from nothing (the First Law);
(3) LIFE springing from NON-Life (the Second Law);
(4) LIFE changing into more complex forms (genetics).
However, there is no evidence to support that there is NO Creator.
If one option requires breaking every scientific rule there is to accept it, and another option has no rules against it, which is preferable?
So, how did a Creator come to be? If He was also Created, then He is not the true Creator, but a first Creature.
So, going to the First and Original Creator of all things, He could only be Eternal. If He is Eternal, then He must be spiritual, and not subject to the laws of matter. This makes perfect sense to me, as it complies totally with the observable Laws of Nature.

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Reina
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Message 169 of 321 (119066)
06-26-2004 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by MrHambre
06-25-2004 7:40 AM


Well-Said, Hambre !!
This is indeed encouraging, to see that someone actually remembers the importance of scientific laws, as they have been established, put to endless tests, and confirmed.
Without using what has already been done to define our material universe and its laws, we can all go around in circles forever, deciding and re-deciding what our favorite position is ...regardless of whether the laws are violated or not, by said position.
I do wonder why people never go into Math with this same "relativistic" approach, but lots of people like to take this "your truth MAY not be MY truth" attitude towards science.
Anyway, good going on your clear reasoning !!

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