How does Complexity demonstrate Design

I think I may have almost understood that last one.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It might depend on what is being designed.There are a few of us that believe that at the lowest levels, the basic, wonderous rules we are just beinginning to learn, there is design. But I am talking about only at the rule level itself. And as we learn more, we constantly find that what we thought were designs were not. They were only artifacts of an underlying design.So, except at the very edge, the very most basic rules, the Universe would look exactly as it does. There is no way to determine between the two and so even discussing the theories falls into the realm of entertainment as opposed to enlightenment.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I see the designs at a far lower level that you seem to understand.What we observe in living things is absolutely purposeless.The level that I am pointing towards is much lower. At one time I might have pointed to the four forces, but since then we have learned that they are only aritfacts of even lower rules. Today I might point to string theory or branes. As we learn more I imagine that we will find that they too are but artifacts.I have no problems with Evolution. There is far too much evidence to show that it is happening and that what we see about us is not high level design, but the result of pure chance and time.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I consider it a mistake to attribute life to design. I'm completely convinced that life is also accident. And believe the designer is sitting there amazed by what is unfolding.I fully believe that we will be unlikely to peal the onion away to the ultimate core.So what does the design look like?The design itself appears to be a set of yet undiscovered basic principles. We continue to find more of them, and each is more wonderous than the last. We are certainly in the realm of belief, and I would offer only my perception.What would it look like if there were no design?There would be nothing, no worlds, no stars, no galaxies, no life, no universe.There would be no light, no darkness, no form, no substance.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, DNA is very, very simple and almost crystal like. There are four bases. Just four. They can only connect in limited pairs, A to T, G to C. The AT pair and the GC pair are the same length.The beauty of what Watson and Crick discovered is its simplicity. Once you see it, the Double Helix appears as understandable as why salt forms cubes. It simply has to be that way.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What does that mean?How is that determined?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Complexity & Design.That's the topic so far. Hopefully Almeyda will be able to step us through this one step at a time to show how Complexity demonstrates Design.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Correct. As I said back in Message 103 DNA is very simple.Now let's see where Almeyda carries this.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I would certainly agree that the complexity we see in nature is almost proof positive that, at that level, there is no design.IMHO, if there is any indication of design it in the oposite direction. If you look at the underlying rules, the way molecules bind to form crystals, the way the forces operate to hold atoms together, the concept of Natural Selection, then, I think you can see design.But at the level of living things, at the level of geolgical forces, I can see no design, only the results of those basic low level rules.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Have you ever seen a Georgia O'Keefe painting?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Here's how to win any Lotto.First pick a number between 0 and 9. If it's not the right number, pick another until you get the right one.Next pick a number between 0 and 9. If it's not the second digit, pick another until you get the right one.Repeat until you have all the numbers.Want to know how to win all the lotteries?Buy all the tickets.That's how Evolution works. It can't lose.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Cut & Paste Almeyda, cut & paste.So far just more unsupported assertions.Can you explain first why you think something as simple as DNA is complex?And second, why such complexity, if it exists, is a indication of design?

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It has to work. The game is rigged, you see.It's unlimited bingo with all the cards.The balls come up in random sequence. Each ball helps some card. There is going to be a winner. Given lots of time, and all the cards, you win every single time.That's Evolution.It simply cannot fail.No design. No creation.No Faith needed. No designer needed.Just the surety that simple random chance is the only absolutely positively guaranteed way for it to happen.No faith, just the numbers.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Have any of you ever seen a Zen Garden?Have any of you ever visited an old fashioned garbage dump?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Let's try something.Imagine a number between 0 and 1000. An evolutionist could evolve the number in no more than 31 steps?Would you like to put it to a test?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion