so does scientology. xenu brought us all here and blews up with atomic bombs in volcanos 75 million years ago (BEFORE the dinosaur extinction and possibly causing it). the fact that a story talks about things that happened a long time ago doesn't mean it's older. you date a story based on the most recent anachronism, not what it talks about.

Speaking of anachronisms, I still haven`t had a good reply from the anointed on Gen 2:14- 'Asshur/Assyria' being referred to in pre-Flood days.

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Message 17 of 90 (265566)
12-04-2005 9:34 PM

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Re: some more analysis

Hey, Arach, you spoiled the fun. I wanted to see the mental gymnastics, e.g. the pre-Flooders knew the area by that name and when Noah`s family headed back to the old neighbourhood, natch they used the same name. Or under the thousands of feet of sediment (the Flood wasn`t really that deep---Faith), things looked the same. Or------(insert any wild thing that comes to mind)----:-p

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Message 21 of 90 (265990)
12-06-2005 3:11 AM

Plagiarism

I guess if you`re going to raid one myth to set up your own, you would pick the eyes out of the original. Hence, if Gilga followed the Pentateuch, you would expect the Akkadian/Sumerians to include such delicacies as the blights on their rivals, the Egyptians, and the biggie, the parting of a large body of water. Even written communications from their god might be a winner. But, whoever composed the Epic ignored all these selling points and pushed the immortality line. Maybe the market studies convinced him to vary the details. Sort of a home-grown myth without foreign references. Maybe a few. Just the scary bits.

Off-topic, but we should explore the goddess Ishtar, Astarte, as a correlation with Yahweh`s consort, Asteroth, some time as she persisted for a while in early Hebrew history.

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12-12-2005 9:20 PM

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Re: You need to be more critical Ray.

Hi, Brian, dunno if you mentioned it elsewhere, but how did the eye-op go?

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Message 61 of 90 (268660)
12-13-2005 2:37 AM

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Re: You need to be more critical Ray.

Just a question. How can you date something that never happened?

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Message 67 of 90 (269126)
12-14-2005 4:01 AM

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Re: dating fictional accounts

I guess it needs another (dare I say it?)Exodus thread to list all the direct and indirect evidence against the validity of the (proposed new title)Alleged Journey from Egypt through Sinai to the Promised Land with a Swag of People.

ABE swapped 'name' for 'title' to give it a bit more class.

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Message 82 of 90 (269391)
12-14-2005 7:45 PM

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Re: dating fictional accounts

my newest personal pet hypothesis is that the first half of exodus (the, uh, exodus part) wasn't actually about egypt at all. i'm thinking that the dates of the component documents in the torah indicate that it may have actually been written about the babylonian exile, in a "keep hope" kind of way, with "egypt" as a code-word for the other captors.

When you get around to it, it`s all laid out for you by Salibi in Asir. :-p

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