The rise of faith schools

Again, I disagree.

I'm sure there's something to be said for that approach, but it's the long way around and life is short. Are you going to learn Islam by living among Muslims for a while, and then do the same with Hinduism, and Shintoism? Of course you can read their scriptures, but how will you be able to judge their claims to truth? Having a strong point of view gives you a standard for judging. If your point of view is wrong, there is nothing to keep you from recognizing its errors since I'm advocating exposure to many different points of view through the one.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-07-2006 12:57 PMThis message has been edited by Faith, 04-07-2006 12:57 PM

Good example. It's the same thing. Sort of. The people who send their kids to private schools usually have more money although that doesn't affect the principle of the thing of course.

I think Christians have to get better at teaching both creationism and evolutionism. I'd love to see Christians become scientists and grasp both systems thoroughly and know the terms of the debate better than anybody else.

The founders sometimes referred to other religions, but I think they specified them rather than using the generic term "religion" to stand for them, because Christians habitually used the term to refer to Christian religion. There should be lots of examples of this but I'll have to dig them up.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-07-2006 09:17 PM

I would agree that there is a problem with allowing Muslims their own schools as they do teach terrorism in them.

Where did I talk about evidence/testing that you are referring to? In this thread?

There have been too many threads where I've pursued that line of reasoning to track down a particular one, but thanks for the answer.Basically what I mean is that you can use the geological data to support either the creationist or the evolutionist scenario, or at least most of the data can be used either way, because there is no way to test the past, that is, to know anything for sure about the past. All you have is your conjectures from the way things look in the present. You can't set up an experiment to test whether or not your conjectures are right.

I consider the questions insulting TC, although I'm sure you don't intend it. In any case I've answered this sort of thing many times already and you're right, I'd rather not get into it again right now. If I can remember where I posted on similar questions I'll post you a link.

The questions are so elementary and obvious it's insulting you'd think I'd need to be asked. I hope the link you found makes my position clearer.

The order of the placement of rocks and the characteristics of volcanic rock are "testable." Anything observable is testable. You can compare the rocks with others of known origin if you are in doubt.What you can't test is an entire scenario that occurred millions of years ago. You can point to this or that kind of rock and discuss its composition which suggests a certain type of origin, but you cannot say how it got there or when.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-12-2006 12:29 PM

Because you have nothing to compare it with except events in the present, and because there is nothing formningin the present that is in fact quite like the geological column despite a few suggestive hints here and there such as the accumulation of sediments beside the continents which you can't know the date of for sure although millions of years it can't be. The principle of science is testability, and that requires that you be able to replicate your observation, or make observations that confirm it. You can't do that with the past. It's a one-way street. You can't replicate it and you can't set up a test for it. You can only make intelligent guesses, you can't confirm them.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-12-2006 12:41 PM

SO funny you think you can prove anything correct about the ancient past based on your observations of the characteristics of rocks in the present. Somebody weaves this fantastical story about the changing scene millions of years ago and you all fall down in obeisance, when it's nothing but a typical fantasy based on a few observations about the nature of the rocks. You guys are a riot. This message has been edited by AdminPD, 04-12-2006 01:55 PMThis message has been edited by Faith, 04-12-2006 04:18 PM