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Author Topic:   The rise of faith schools
ReverendDG
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Message 27 of 144 (301779)
04-06-2006 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Faith
04-06-2006 8:49 PM


Re: It's about protecting children
abe: By the way, what do you think of the opinion of some of the American founders that Christianity should be encouraged as it is good for the country in general?
they thought if people needed religion to be happy then yes it is good, but they also considered religion to be personal only, after all they just came from a place where the christian church held the goverment

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4140 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 28 of 144 (301781)
04-06-2006 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
04-06-2006 9:10 PM


Re: It's about protecting children
Yes I really do not want government funding of Christian schools for the reason you gave. I do believe a little tax relief would be in order, however.
so does that mean you wouldn't have a problem if jewish or muslim ran schools got a tax relief?
or heck pagan?)(if there is such a thing)
And even he approved the effect of Christianity on the citizenry as I recall.
no he really didn't, in fact i think less than 20% of people in the us at the time were church goers

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ReverendDG
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Message 30 of 144 (301785)
04-06-2006 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Faith
04-06-2006 9:25 PM


Re: It's about protecting children
ok if this has to be dueling quotes then you find a qoute stating they considered it to have a moral influence on the nation
I wonder if you could find a quote to this effect? Well, I know you can't.
nice, you make me feel all warm and fuzzy when you sneer like that

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ReverendDG
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Message 32 of 144 (301793)
04-06-2006 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
04-06-2006 9:33 PM


Re: It's about protecting children
It's the monochrome nature of the internet
heres a good quote on washington and adams
The country's first two presidents, George Washington and John Adams, were firm believers in the importance of religion for republican government.
As citizens of Virginia and Massachusetts, both were sympathetic to general religious taxes being paid by the citizens of their respective states to the churches of their choice. However both statesmen would have discouraged such a measure at the national level because of its divisiveness.
They confined themselves to promoting religion rhetorically, offering frequent testimonials to its importance in building the moral character of American citizens, that, they believed, undergirded public order and successful popular government.
from: Religion and the Federal Government, Part 1 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)
you are right religion was thought to be importiant for morality but it was general religion not just christianity, considering neather of them was a christian but a diest (if you want to bring up thier beliefs i got quotes from people who knew them, including reverends)
washington in his farewell speech did consider religion nessicary for happiness as well
The Farewell Address
In his Farewell Address, the first president advised his fellow citizens that "Religion and morality" were the "great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens." "National morality," he added, could not exist "in exclusion of religious principle." "Virtue or morality," he concluded, as the products of religion, were "a necessary spring of popular government."
ibis

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ReverendDG
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Message 64 of 144 (302226)
04-07-2006 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
04-07-2006 9:35 AM


Re: It's about protecting children
Yes, thanks for the quotes, that's what I was thinking of. The word "religion" back in those days was commonly used to refer to Christianity, and that included the deist or unitarian forms in their minds by that time. Christians used the term all the time that way, though these days it has come to include all the world's religions.
do you have any evidence of this? i know jefferson when he wrote about religion to the baptists also spoke of islam, and judaism

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ReverendDG
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Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 78 of 144 (302677)
04-09-2006 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by redseal
04-08-2006 7:26 PM


Re: people of faith are good to deal with
I love this. so you are now the definer of what makes a religion "true"?
s and other assorted riff-raff are sinners and are not exempt from prison
but acording to christianity, everyone is a sinner regardless, so yes they could be found in prison
acording to the religion you don't make the rules god does, you are judging and arn't christians not supposed to judge?
This message has been edited by ReverendDG, 04-09-2006 05:28 PM

One mans herecy is another Mans dogma..

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