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Author Topic:   Codes, Evolution, and Intelligent Design
fallacycop
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Message 140 of 220 (325141)
06-23-2006 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by tdcanam
06-22-2006 8:33 AM


Re: Percy
DNA has no consciousness. It can't display intent on it's own. The codes contained within DNA however contain intent. The code sent from DNA contains specific instructions to build a specific thing to specific dimensions. That is intent.
That is the point you are trying to make. if you also include it in your prmises then your reasoning is circular (You are begging the question). In other words, intent implies a concious mind. But a concious mind is the point you are trying to make a case for. If you declare that DNA is a code and that a code has intent, then you are already starting from your conclusion. This is nothing more then a slight of hand. That's why it is a fallacious argument. This fact has been pointed out to you in at least four different posts (five with this one) written by at least three different posters. You have completely ignored it. Why is that?

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fallacycop
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Message 189 of 220 (325561)
06-24-2006 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by tdcanam
06-23-2006 11:19 AM


Re: fallacycop
Read all of the posts I composed today. You will see why my reasoning is not circular.
No DNA is not conscious. Yes codes come from conscious minds. DNA was not the encoder. It holds the code.
But, codes denote communication. Period. DNA holds files/specs. Those are photcopied by mRNA and taken to the ribosomes. The photcopies are decoded/read by ribosomes and the ribosomes build the physical reality that the info. stored in DNA represented. The code in DNA that represents an arm is not an arm, it is instructions on how to build an arm. When the specs for an arm are requested, mRNA specifically records specific info on a specific member (the arm) and takes it directly to the ribosome who inturn decodes the info and builds the arm that the code in the DNA specifically represented. Intent. The code was intentionally called for, mRNA intentionally got it and intentionally took it to the ribosome and the ribosome decoded and built the arm that the code specifically instructed.
You haven't shown intent. You assumed it's there. Intent implies a concious mind. But that's the point you are trying to make. therefore your reasoning is circular. Therefore it is fallacious. It is as simple as that.

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