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Author Topic:   Codes, Evolution, and Intelligent Design
Jon
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Message 196 of 220 (325736)
06-24-2006 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Percy
06-24-2006 9:07 AM


Re: Percy
I agree. It's tdcanam who is arguing from a communications standpoint. DNA is an encoding of information.
Actually, it's Wikipedia (the source you've now quoted countless times) that is also arguing from a communications stand point. It specifically states that codes apply to communications. There is also a link to a thousand other definitions, but I don't believe you were using any of those.
The GACT nucleotide sequences of DNA when grouped into subsequences of 3 to encode for amino acids and into genes to encode for proteins are strong analogs for letters, words and sentences.
WE gave it those letters. It is really just one funny shaped protein after another. We said, "hey, all these funny shapes will have this letter, these other funny shapes will get a different letter." There is no code in DNA. DNA is not encoded information (to be encoded requires encoding). Any similarities it has are as meaningless as the similarities between a bowl and a frying pan.
DNA is not encoded, and any appearence would seem as though it came from us assigning "code letters" to the funny and strange shaped proteins.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 197 of 220 (325739)
06-24-2006 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by ramoss
06-24-2006 10:23 AM


Re: start and stop condons
Now, if that tidbit is removed, then DNA might be a code. If that tidbit is there, then there is no evidnece that DNA is a code, because there is no evidence it was 'created by a concious mind'.
Actually, I think that's tdcanam's entire arguement.
  • DNA is code
  • Codes are made of concious minds
  • DNA was made of concious mind
Tdcanam is using DNA as evidence of a Designer.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 203 of 220 (326230)
06-25-2006 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Percy
06-25-2006 7:26 AM


Re: Percy
I have a coin-counting machine. It works by seperating the coins based on their size and weight. A quarter-sized hole will only hold a quarter, etc. Is this a code? I don't think so. Is it encoded information? I don't think so.
That's all that happens in DNA. The bonds form where they can form. Sure every once and a while a bond forms where it shouldn't, just like a dime occasionally ends up in the penny stack.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 205 of 220 (326332)
06-26-2006 6:37 AM
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06-26-2006 6:27 AM


Re: Sorting
I'm not sure what a sorting algorithm is, perhaps you could explain it to me.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 208 of 220 (326684)
06-26-2006 11:14 PM
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06-26-2006 9:33 AM


Re: Levels of Abstraction
Chemical bonds form where they fit. It's like a key. Three electrons needed and three electrons will arive.
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Jon
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Message 213 of 220 (327035)
06-28-2006 1:52 AM


tdcanam writes:
Message 111
DNA has no consciousness. It can't display intent on it's own. The codes contained within DNA however contain intent. The code sent from DNA contains specific instructions to build a specific thing to specific dimensions. That is intent. The ribsome is meant to get the code, it is meant to understand it, it is meant to replicate it and the intended outcome, already precoded in the DNA, comes out as it was intended. That's intent.
Let's say that for a second we assume DNA is encoded information.
If (according to you) it takes an intelligence to encode the information, then why does it not take an intelligence to decode the information?
If ribosomes are all the intelligence required to decode the information, then why is not ribosomal intelligence enough to encode the information in the first place? And, afterall, ribosomes are nothing more than chemicals. And so it would reason that this "intelligence" that you are talking about that encoded DNA could very possible just be chemicals, and not necessarily some "higher power."
The code sent from DNA contains specific instructions to build a specific thing to specific dimensions. That is intent.
No, that's not intent; that's just matching up the other half. DNA cannot "read" the code. It can't tranlsate it from one form to another. All it can do is rip itself apart and then wait for the other ends to fall into place. It's like saying the basketball shows intent because it always falls downward, and never upward.
You see, certain things always happen one way, and they will keep happening that one way. And just because the DO happen that one way, does not mean that it's intentional.
Jon

  
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