Good Bible Prophecies List

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Show me the actual resurrection of Lazerus, and I'll be convinced. But just reading about it in a book isn't convincing to me. Show me some actual, documented miracles - and explain how a miracle could be distinguished from a natural process we don't yet understand.

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Friend crashfrog, I'm definitely not expecting you to be convinced about Lazerus, nor would I be foolish enough to try. I have no documentation of proof for that. I'm sticking to things you can see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears -- things on your news screen and in your headlines yesterday and today. I merely used the Lazarus thing as an illustration to describe your response to documentable fulfillments of prophecy which I have cited.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-17-2003]

Ahh!! I just whopped the pesky jumpy little spider, so as to post in peace.

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You do not really seem to comprehend how Christianity evolved from within Judaism. Your ?examples? here simply reinforce the fact that Christianity wasn?t a new religion but only a variation of Judaism. It is not a new religion at all, it has its roots deeply set in Judaism.

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You even worship the same God, and the Hebrew Bible makes up the majority of your scriptures.

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If you want to view it that way, that's fine, but the fact remains that Judiasim was the first persecutor of the Christian church, first killing it's founder and then killing and persecuting his desciples and followers.

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Maybe I should have been clearer, I meant ?when? as in what year?

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There's some controversy about the exact year of his death. It likely was not exactly the year one as is indicated in our calendar, but close.

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You do know that whoever wrote Matthew was writing it long after 70 AD when the Temple fell? Matthew maybe even as late as AD 110, but it was certainly after the Temple fell, it is hardly an impressive ?prophecy? to claim Jesus had predicted this would happen when you are writing as much as 40 years after the event.

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So what? That proves nothing for or against his ability to prophesy the event or when he died. Nobody's successfully refuted the account yet.

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Independent evidence, eyewitness testimonies, personal letters??

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. Same with the Biblical record. There's as much of this for Jesus as scores of other events/people you likely accept as authenic for that time or before.

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Could you explain this a bit clearer for me, it doesn?t make sense?

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The age of the gentile nations will, according to Jesus and the prophets end when messiah sets up world rule. I'm not asking you to accept or believe that. It's what he was referring to though, imo.I'll leave the rest up to you to figure out. My time is limited here.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-17-2003]

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You killed one of God's creatures?

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Yupper Dude. Indeedy did I deliberately do dat dastardly deed. [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-17-2003]

Schrafinator, I don't think I know enough about the conflict in Ireland to intelligently respond, nor do I think your questions has anything in particular to do with the subject of this thread pertaining to specific Bible prophecy. Likely you could teach me more about this situation than I can teach you, but this is not the place for that subject, imo. I'm trying to focus on specific documentable fulfilled Biblical prophecies here. If I think of something prophetically related to Ireland, I'll get back to you. Your implication that there's a lota politics related to it does make sense. My comment about Satan's religious activity was intended to finger his role as underlying influence in the legions of problems which some religious doctrines and religiouly inspired/motivated activities bring to the world.

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In other words, you always get to interpret the Bible any way you want so that the prophecies are always "true" and never wrong.
Wow, that's really convincing.

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You can do the same thing with every other predictive mystical book on the planet that is vage like the Bible is vague, you know.

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I've tried to tie each prophecy to specific plainly visible fulfillments. Anyone may challenge my specific statements as to accuracy or offer other views as to what the specified scripture references are saying. My suggestion is that you copy and paste specific statements I make which you have a problem with and refute my statements regarding these cited prophecies if you can do so. Your general non-specific comments such as in your post #44 don't cut it, imo, for an effective refutation of anything I've posted. Your arrows aren't yet piercing the armour of the factual stuff I've presented thus far.

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Your prophecy-- say, the satelite-- is such that a thousand things could fulfill it. It is on the same order as Nostradamus. Specific enough to seem meaningful but vague enough that it is guaranteed to be fulfilled eventually, if you look hard enough and interpret the prophecy until you get a match.

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John, you and your friends keep on keeping on posting generalities. You're effectively refuting nothing I post.OK, you say 'a thousand things could fulfill it. So how about some sensible examples of how either the TV, or the Sky Angel could be fulfilled anywhere nearly as close to reality as the ones I've cited?

Hideho. How's he gonna get all the folks around the planet to hear his shouts. GONG!!............Next...........

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Finding a fulfillment 'in reality' isn't really the point. Finding a fulfillment that resembles the prophecy in enough ways that the connection is unequivocable is the point.

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You haven't done this. In fact, the 'fulfillment' doesn't resempble the prophecy much at all. The text talks about angels around the throne of God. Reading the surrounding verses tells us that these angels were capable of possessing qualities such as virginity, lack-of-guile, faultlessness. They 'follow the lamb' and were 'redeemed from man' being the 'first fruits unto God.' In other words, we get a definition of 'angel' from the author. Sound like a satelite to you?

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Now, the verse in question...

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And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, ...

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The creature is talking to every nation, and kindred, and to every people in every tongue. Does your satelite broadcast in every tongue? Does every nation hear the word? I'd be willing to be that this service doesn't exist in most of the world? I'll have to look that up. Does everyone hear the preaching? If not, it can't be the fullfillment of this prophecy.

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1. You have two locations here in this text. The 144 thousand virgins are not angels. They are Jewish people, 12000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. They appear on Mt Zion, the temple mount at Jerusalem. Whether they actually appear in heaven before Gods throne is unclear. It says where ever Christ the Lamb is they are with him. He and they are seen on Mt Zion which again is the Temple Mt.2. The Greek word aggelon (angel) means messenger and though it usually refers to an angelic being, it can refer to another type of messenger. As for the satelite, words do emit from it as it flies through heaven.3. The harpers are not identified. Likely they are angels in heaven. Bear in mind that the prophet John is on earth and sees these visions so in the vision, getting input both from heaven and earth is not a problem.4. Jesus, when he returns to rule and reign will rule from Mt. Zion in Jerusalem. This is true Zionism. It is my personal belief that these 144000 will be there to administrate his kingdom and set it up, etc. It will last on earth 1000 years according to Revelation 20.This's how I see it. Others may have other ideas about it. That's fine. I'm airing it for what it's worth and you all can decide what you think.

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You don't have much faith in God, if you think such a little matter would be a barrier to His messengers.

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But when you see it happening now, why look for something else so unlikely?

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I suppose we have to hand to the prophecy-watchers, they have more imagination than a surrealist on speed. That's why every generation for the last 1900 years has found compelling evidence that the prophecies have been fulfilled........

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Few have had the interest in prophecy compared to this generation, and the very few who actually believed it was so near didn't do their homework, because the prerequisite to all the rest is a restored Jerusalem and land of Palestine to the Jews. Much else has been unfulfilled or was incapable of being fulfilled until our generation. I don't believe it's imminent for a while, but Armageddon is not far off, imo.

Btw, for the record, Sky Angel is broadcasting in many languages and continually adding more.

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It's twenty six years since I first took part in a public protest against slavery in Sudan - at that time the worst culprits were Christians in the south who sold Muslim and Animist captives into slavery in Uganda and the Central African Republic. More recently, Sudanese Animist refugees in Uganda have been attacked by the Lord's Resistance Army, who wish to run Uganda on the basis of the 10 Commandments. Up to date information on this soi-disant Christian organisation's rape, torture, chattel slavery and kidnapping can be found at Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)

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Somethings wrong with this picture. The SPLA in the South is fighting against the central Muslim government in the North. Right?
According to this quote from your link, the LRA seems to be siding with the Sudanese Muslim central government against Uganda. Is this correct?

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the Lord's Resistance Army -- receives support from Sudan -- harass government forces and murder and kidnap civilians in the north and west. They do not, however, threaten the stability of the government.

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All that's going on? Including persecution, kidnapping, slavery and coerced conversion by Christian's? I checked out the site and found none of those.

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As I said, they are global and don't always feature Sudan. I take their monthly and there's been a lot about it from time to time which they cover. They supply much relief in clothing, food and other assistance to Sudan.

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So you don't object to the northern Islamic government in Sudan forcibly conscripting minors either?[/quote]I didn't say that, now, did I. The US and as I understand it, the SPLA do not practice the horrific stuff which the Muslim Central government is doing to the Christian South. Conscription, as you are likely aware simply means compulsory service. It can be humane and it can be brutal. Be fair now, sir.

Thanks to those who have taken the time to present information concerning the Sudanese conflict. I'm beginning to see that it is somewhat more complicated than I've understood it. That is not to say I'm convinced that the attrocities are equally brutal on both sides, for I'm still quite sure that that's just not the case. I will continue to follow this and learn as much as I can as to what's going on there.

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I'll close it off tonight if there are no objections. No harm in another prophecy thread, of course.

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That's fine, sir. I have some more prophecies to talk about sometime, but I'll open another thread when I'm ready. Thanks, and many thanks to all who made the thread an interesting and challenging one. Hopefully we've all learned something in it.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-20-2003]