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crashfrog
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Message 10 of 82 (40354)
05-16-2003 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
05-16-2003 1:18 AM


But how many martyred to the extent of the Christians, who btw are still being martyred in Islamland by the hundreds of thousands just this last decade.
Some three million Jews were martyred for their faith just in this century. Your figure appears to pale by comparison. Christians don't have the monopoly on martyrdom, not by a long shot.
I'm just saying, is all.

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Message 36 of 82 (40510)
05-17-2003 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 3:59 PM


Satan himself is very religious.
He could hardly be an atheist, could he?

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crashfrog
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Message 39 of 82 (40513)
05-17-2003 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 4:16 PM


The miracle of it is NOT about how it comes to pass. The miracle of it is that to utter such a statement in a time when it was utterly impossible would seem totally sensless to the people who heard the prophetic statement.
But it isn't totally senseless. The problem with prophecy is that it is always sufficiently broad that you can take almost any event and fit it into the prophecy. I'm certain that apologists have been interpreting that prophecy and others as having been fulfilled. Some may have interpreted events into the framework the minute the prophecy was made.
It wasn't impossible to conceive at the time - words travel through the air when we speak them. If I didn't know why they did that, I might easily assume that the power of a god would be so great that his words might carry everywhere. No big deal.
If three centuries ago someone would tell you actural images/pictures would fly through space of things happening Tokyo and end up in millions of living rooms worldwide, you'd sware they were insane or illusional.
To the contrary, I would have called them a science-fiction writer. S-F writers have been predicting stuff for a hundred years before it happened - submarines, satellites, even computers - are they, then, prophets? Or just good guessers?
You clearly ignore the power of prophecy to be self-fulfilling. I could make any prophecy I pleased and if people thought it was important enough, they would find a way to either make it happen or interpret events into it. This has been going on since the Greeks.

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crashfrog
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Message 41 of 82 (40515)
05-17-2003 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by nator
05-17-2003 4:30 PM


Fox news is the most right-wing conservative, Republican-loving network on TV.
I think you left out jingoistic. Not to mention smug. It's their accursed smugness that really drives me up the wall - not just on their commentrary shows (ala Bill O'Rielly) but their regular news programming anchors are the epitome of smugness and judgement. I hate that.

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crashfrog
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Message 46 of 82 (40522)
05-17-2003 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 4:46 PM


Sorry, dude, I'm just not going to be impressed by vague, unspecific prophecy. Any time predictions are made, people with a vested interest in that prophecy being seen as true can manipulate events to make it look like it's happened. This isn't just Christianity; this is ever culture and tradition, and it's the reason that prophecy can never, ever be taken at face value.
Prophecy doesn't happen in a vacumn. There's always a much more reasonable explanation then somebody having a vision of the far future.
Show me the actual resurrection of Lazerus, and I'll be convinced. But just reading about it in a book isn't convincing to me. Show me some actual, documented miracles - and explain how a miracle could be distinguished from a natural process we don't yet understand.

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crashfrog
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Message 61 of 82 (40593)
05-18-2003 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by John
05-18-2003 5:14 PM


I'd be willing to be that this service doesn't exist in most of the world?
Unless they have several satellites, you'd be right about that. TV broadcast satellites have to be geosynchonous earth orbit (GEO) to provide constant service, so that they remain over one point on the earth's surface, over the equator.
That means that likely, the Sky Angel satellite is broadcasting only to the continental US, Canada, central america, and some of south america. Probably in English and Spanish. The spherical Earth prevents the signal from reaching to anywhere else.
As you say, that doesn't sound like fulfilment of the prophecy to me.

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