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Author | Topic: 20 years of the Creation/ID science curriculum | |||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: False. They went to the courts to keep religion out of public school science classrooms. Anyone is free to criticize any part of Biology or Genetics, both inside and outside the profession of science.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Should Holocaust deniers be given equal time to present their arguments in History class, and are mainstream historians just trying to protect students from hearing the arguments?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: 1) Nobody would teach that since it isn't what evolution claims. You forgot about the exceedingly non-random part of evolution that is natural selection. Selection Selection Selection Selection Selection Selection Selection You Evolution-deniers have a crippling mental block that apparently renders you all incapable of remembering that there are two mechanisms required for evolution; random mutation AND natural selection. 2) It isn't necessarily categorically proven that the mainstream Historical account of the Holocaust is true. There are some people who believe that the version of this historical event taught in schools is inaccurate and dogmatic. Should we encourage children to consider Holocaust-denial theories just as valid as the mainstream ones? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Of course, that's not what most of the major ID proponents say. Behe certainly accepts that mutation and natural selection have loads of creative ability. So, you aren't arguing the ID position at all, but the good old fashioned ICR-style Creationist position.
quote: So you actually agree with the statement:
Should we encourage children to consider Holocaust-denial theories just as valid as the mainstream ones? If you tell them that they should decide for themselves if the Holocaust really happened or not, then you are most certainly giving more weight to the holocaust deniers' interpretation of the evidence than it deserves, and elevating it to something above its crackpot nature. OTOH, are you saying that you just want science teachers to teach all about evolution, and then mention (possibly) that there are some people who deny it despite the evidence presented? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OTOH, are you saying that you just want science teachers to teach all about evolution, and then mention (possibly) that there are some people who deny it despite the evidence presented? quote: But we can do exactly the same thing with the Holocaust, you know. The Holocaust deniers have lots and lots of evidence that they say proves that their conclusions are correct. Lots of books and articles are out there, with pictures, diagrams, statistics,...just like in the books which present the mainstream view of WWII history. Both Holocaust deniers and Evolution deniers can provide lots and lots of evidence which they say supports their claims. Why do you want one to be presented in schools in order to let the children decide but not the other? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Wrong. Chimps never "morphed into men", just like you didn't "morph" out of one of your ancestors 100 generations ago. Chimps and men have a common ancestor, just like you have a common ancestor with your siblings. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Not really. I am sure that NASA doesn't consult the Bible when they want to, for example, send astronauts to the moon and back aboard a rocket.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Science isn't decided by public opinion. If it were, then we would have classes on Astrology in school.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Wait, you don't accept that new species have been observed to emerge? Even though they have been directly observed to have done so in real time, both in the lab and in the field?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hi Ray. Don't you think that the US (I assume your are from the US based on your opinions) will fall terribly far behind the more scientifically oriented countries such as those in Europe and the Commonwealth, China and Japan? quote: Have you been to Japan or Europe? I have been to Japan and, let's see, seven European countries, and let me tell you, in many respects, each one is at leat equal and often superior to America. Healthcare, food, wine, education, public transportation, politeness, violent crime rate (especially Japan), etc. LA's annual gunshot homicide rate is probably greater than that of Europe and Japan combined.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, do you accept that DNA paternity tests are accurate? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Wait, you don't accept that new species have been observed to emerge? Even though they have been directly observed to have done so in real time, both in the lab and in the field? quote: Obviously, this is an avoidant non-answer. When you get back from suspension, how about answering the question?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So should we teach, in science class, that Astrology is valid? Or that poltergeists really move things in houses?
quote: Can you please provide some examples of how non-material explanations of anything has increased our understanding of it?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, sort of. Astrology as it is generally practiced by its adherents is an unfalsifiable system. All of the professional astrologers I've ever heard about have a ready convenient excuse every time one of their predictions is completely wrong, i.e.: "Well, this prediction may seem wrong, but you see you are on the cusp of Libra, and Saturn is in the seventh house, so that's the explanation for why X happened instead of Y as I predicted." or somesuch. Good info on Astrology can be found here.
quote: Not really. More religious notions of origins have died than exist today, that's for sure. Science, since it is not a set-in-stone revealed religious "truth" but a reality-based one that is both self-correcting and willing to say "we don't know", has far more staying power than any religion.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Astrology as it is generally practiced by its adherents is an unfalsifiable system. All of the professional astrologers I've ever heard about have a ready convenient excuse every time one of their predictions is completely wrong, i.e.: "Well, this prediction may seem wrong, but you see you are on the cusp of Libra, and Saturn is in the seventh house, so that's the explanation for why X happened instead of Y as I predicted." or somesuch. Good info on Astrology can be found here. quote: There's great fear that ID, which is religion, will be forced into public school science classrooms.
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