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Jazzns
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Message 172 of 237 (460749)
03-18-2008 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by molbiogirl
03-18-2008 3:36 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
I was lucky enough to catch the speech on the radio.
First off, the Wright issue was a non-issue that conservatives turned into a wedge issue and it would have been the politically safe road to take to let this issue go the way of the public's short term memory.
But Obama didn't do that. He faced this issue head on and used this manufactured controversy to take the discourse to a high level. My only regret is that his entire speech will not be given the proper treatment in the media and will be sliced and diced which will reduce its impact.
You really have to take the whole thing and if you can, look it up on youtube or something to listen to the whole thing. Its a world of difference reading it versus listening to him deliver it. After 8 years of barely high school level oratory, it is so refreshing to think that we might have a president who can actually be the pride of America rather than the abject disgrace that has been the administrations of the past 28 years.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 190 of 237 (460847)
03-19-2008 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Grizz
03-18-2008 6:51 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
They are not designed to be platforms to lay bare one's soul.
I don't see why not. To be honest, what other choice does a public figure have? What other vector of communication can they use to personally address what amounts to personal attacks on their character?
I think you are partially correct, it is foolish to assume that what these people put out in their speeches and public addresses is all that is in their heart, but at the same time it is also foolish to assume that nothing can be learned or effectivly communicated by these types of speeches especially when you take into acount the total picture of how they run their public lives. In this case you can take the speech in the context in which Obama has run his campaign.
I want someone who can really get something done. Can he do it better than Clinton or McCain? That is the only thing I care about.
That is where I think it is the responsibility of the public to excercise broad judgement. The point you bring up is historically why governors have faired better than legislators in races for executive positions. It is much harder to tease out the accomplishments of an individual legisator because they are always affected by the backdrop of the body in which they served. An executive canidate often holds the edge because they have more opportunity to exercise independent will.
Since we have 3 senators running, the playing field starts sort of level. There are more years of experience for McCain versus both canidates but in Obama versus Hillary, Obama actually has more legislative experience than Hillary.
I also take into account how the various canidates are running their campaign. Obama has built a mammoth system and has surrounded himself with advisors that are the best of the best (Susan Rice, Samantha Powers (he shouldn't have ditched her)). Compare that to the short sightedness of both Hillary and McCain, the various times they have had to dump staff for ineptitude and in the case of Hillary they still don't even get along with each other.
Obama has managed his money, kept his campaign extordinarily focused, shattered fundraising records not only in the total amounts but in the amount of people he has empowered to be part of the process. Over 1 million individuals have donated to his campaign. He was smart enough to tap modern avenues to get his message out that the other canidates started to mimic only after they saw how effective it was.
Can he lead? I think how you run your own house refectly directly on how you would run your business or your office.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 191 of 237 (460852)
03-19-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Buzsaw
03-18-2008 11:18 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
the fact that he has the most liberal socialist voting record in the Senate raises red flags all over the place.
The fact is that this nonsense is the opinion of a conservative news source who did the same analysis in 2004 and found out that it just so happens that John Kerry was the most liberal person in the senate.
How did Obama eclipse John Kerry so quickly? Or is it just a coincidence that whoever happens to be the democratic front runner just happens to become the "new" most liberal person in the eyes of conservatives with a admitted bent on swaying the vote to Republicans?

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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