Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,902 Year: 4,159/9,624 Month: 1,030/974 Week: 357/286 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   the new and improved obama thread
Jaderis
Member (Idle past 3454 days)
Posts: 622
From: NY,NY
Joined: 06-16-2006


Message 194 of 237 (460876)
03-19-2008 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by molbiogirl
03-19-2008 1:03 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
Nice job molbiogrl!
Now, for Buzsaw:
I'd like to ask you (since you seem so concerned about racism/anti-semitism and all) why is it that Rev. John Hagee has not received the same sort of outraged criticism(from the right, that is) as Rev. Jeremiah Wright. After all Hagee has had this to say about the way the Jews have been treated throughout the centuries:
quote:
"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day..."
--Pastor John Hagee, "Jerusalem Countdown," pp. 92-93
Meaning the Jews brought it on themselves. And (from the same book):
quote:
The Bible is a book of parables and word pictures describing principles of truth from God to man. The prophet Jeremiah puts his pen to parchment and paints a vivid picture of the human agendas God intended to use to bring the Jewish people back to Israel.
"But now I will send for many fishermen" declares the LORD, "and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks."
-- Jeremiah 16:16 NIV
I believe this verse indicates that the positive comes before the negative. Grace and mercy come before judgment. The fishermen come before the hunters. First, God sent the fishermen to Israel. These were the Zionists, men like Theodor Herzl who called for the Jews of Europe and the world to come to Palestine to establish the Jewish state. The Jews were encouraged to escape while there was still time. The situation for Jews in Europe would only get worse, not better.
A fisherman is one who draws his target toward him with bait. Herzl and his fellow Zionists were God's fishermen, calling the sons and daughters of Abraham home. Herzl was deeply disappointed that the Jews of the world did not respond in greater numbers.
God then sent the hunters. The hunter is one who pursues his target with force and fear. No one could see the horror of the Holocaust coming, but the force and fear of Hitler's Nazis drove the Jewish people back to the only home God ever intended for the Jews to have -- Israel. I stand amazed at the accuracy of God's Word and its relevance for our time. I am stricken with awe and wonder at His boundless love for Israel and the Jewish people and His divine determination that the promise He gave Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob become reality.
Bolding mine.
Of course, that passage may not mean that Hitler did the world a favor by pushing the Jews to flee to Israel and, thus, beginning the countdown to the Second Coming but it sure does look like it.
Then we have the anti-Catholic rants (I wonder how exactly one takes "the Great Whore" out of context as McCain has recently claimed?), the blaming of Hurricane Katrina on gay and gay-friendly Americans (there are lots of little gems in that interview), and the lovely little "slave sale" that was reported back in 1996 where in his church's newsletter ran this ad:
quote:
"Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone," it said. "Make plans to come and go home with a slave."
And this is just Hagee. What about Jerry Falwell (yeah he's dead, but he was never asked to distance himself and his batshit crazy remarks from presidents, legislators or candidates...he was in fact embraced with open arms!!) or Pat Robertson who both also blamed 9/11 on the actions of Americans (altho, personally, I buy Wright's assessment of terrorism being a response to America's arrogant and destructive foreign policies over some gobbledygook about God being mad at us because we like teh gayz and women are roaming around outside the kitchen) The White House sent a nice polite letter saying that Bush "doesn't share those views" and that was the end of that as far as "denouncing" the two powerhouse preachers.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
The double standard (for both blacks and Democrats) is, unfortunately, not a surprise at all.
What say you, Buz?
PS - I didn't even bring up the anti-Islam remarks, but I'm sure you agree with Hagee and others say about them, so why bother?

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

This message is a reply to:
 Message 193 by molbiogirl, posted 03-19-2008 1:03 PM molbiogirl has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 195 by Adminnemooseus, posted 03-19-2008 7:30 PM Jaderis has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024